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November 10, 2009

Microsoft Fires Back at Deceptive Windows 7 Claims by Sophos

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After security researchers at Sophos tried to garner cheap headlines with an overly-sensational non-story about how Windows 7 supposedly failed to prevent 80 percent of malware attacks, Microsoft finally fired back. In a blog posting, Paul Cooke, director of Windows Enterprise Client Security at Microsoft, explained that the Sophos claim was, of course, bogus.

"I'm not a fan of companies sensationalizing findings about Windows 7 in order to sell more of their own software," he wrote. "This test [simply] shows that ... most people don't knowingly have and run known malware on their system. Malware typically makes it onto a system through other avenues like the browser or email program. So while I absolutely agree that antivirus software is essential to protecting your PC, there are other defenses as well."

The Sophos test was completely bogus because it threw malware at an unprotected, stock Windows 7 system, one that had no antivirus software installed. Microsoft recommends, as always, that customers install antivirus software, and the company this year made a free solution, Security Essentials, available for Windows 7 (and Vista and XP) users worldwide. Microsoft has never claimed that Windows 7 does not require antivirus.

"I [do] agree with [Sophos] that you still need to run antivirus software on Windows 7," Cooke noted. "But it's also equally important to keep all of your software up to date through automatic updates, such as through the Windows Update service. By configuring your computers to download and install updates automatically you will help ensure that you have the highest level of protection against malware and other vulnerabilities."

"Windows 7 is built upon the security platform of Windows Vista, which included a defense-in-depth approach to help protect customers from malware," he explains. "The result, Windows 7 retains and refines the development processes, including going through the Security Development Lifecycle and technologies that made Windows Vista the most secure Windows operating system ever released."

The real issue here is that by providing customers with free antivirus, Microsoft is stepping on the toes of security companies, such as Sophos. These companies have created a rich, subscription-based business in which their products stop updating after those subscriptions run out, leaving users vulnerable. Microsoft first tried to create its own low-cost subscription-based security product, OneCare, but then replaced it with a free solution that won't leave customers unprotected.

So all Sophos really brought attention to is the fact that they can't be trusted.

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Reader Comments
"The Sophos test was completely bogus because it threw malware at an unprotected, stock Windows 7 system, one that was had no anti-virus software installed."

That is not a bogus test. Its a perfectly valid test. A stock Windows 7 system is the one that most people will use. That is how most machine will come configured.

If 80% of attacks against the standard installation of Window 7 are successful, that sure does show something, which is the need to run AV software of some kind.

You may be very well correct in saying that Microsoft is stepping on the toes of security companies by giving away their own AV software, but that does not change the facts that Windows 7 with AV software, as it ships, still is vulnerable.

yoshipod November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


I disagree that Sophos can't be trusted; they threw malware at a fresh, unprotected install of Win 7 to see how it would respond. The headline of the article was just an attention-grabber. URL to the article is below, but this is simply much ado about nothing.

http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses/

scottm99999 November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


"The Sophos test was completely bogus because it threw malware at an unprotected, stock Windows 7 system, one that was had no anti-virus software installed."

Most users will NOT install 3rd party add-ons (or the subsequent download and install from Microsoft), even if they should. Testing what Microsoft ships as the default install is a fair test.

If anti-virus protection is so important---on Windows machines, at least---then ship the OS with the proper protection preconfigured. That is such a "duh" obvious point that it is simply amazing that Miicrosoft doesn't get it.

chuckb84 November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


I went to the post on the Sophos blog, but they didn't indicate if they were testing against 32 or 64 bit. If they're going to claim this is credible, they should post the conditions of the test.

Webdev511 November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


The reason this is a bogus test and brings the trust of Sophos in to question is that they are stating the obvious as a revelation. Mush the same way other companies state the norm as a feature. An example of that is the milk you buy. The low fat milk with 50% less fat, this is they went from 4% in the mix to 2% in the mix. The bigger number makes you feel like it is less.

Stating that a new operating system is still vulnerable to a system compatible virus is like saying the new baby is still able to get sick. You still have to give the baby antivirus shots and still have to take care of it.

As for prepackaging an antivirus solution, that would be great, until some European entity opens yet another lawsuit about unfair business practices.

thetwidgetlog November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


"As for prepackaging an antivirus solution, that would be great, until some European entity opens yet another lawsuit about unfair business practices."


This is the price that Windows users now have to pay for Microsoft's blatant and illegal attempt to wipe out Netscape. Had Microsoft played by the rules and competed on the basis of a quality product instead of locking out the competition, we may have seen Windows 7 come with build in AV functionality.

yoshipod November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


First off, none of the malware they tested was actually a virus - instead it was trojans and other malware. And actually it was only 7 out of 10 that run (the other 1 raised a UAC prompt).

Second, none of them were able to compromise the system, they only ran with user-level priviledges (the only one that tried was blocked by UAC). This means user data could be stolen/lost, but the OS would be fine.

Third, what do you expect? If I wrote a program called AwesomeNewGame.exe that deleted all files in the Documents folder, and you download it and run it, how is the OS supposed to know to stop it?

jonathanmarston November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


@jonathanmarston:
"If I wrote a program called AwesomeNewGame.exe that deleted all files in the Documents folder, and you download it and run it, how is the OS supposed to know to stop it?"

Funny you should mention that. Someone did that for Mac OS X.

@yoshipod:
"This is the price that Windows users now have to pay for Microsoft's blatant and illegal attempt to wipe out Netscape. Had Microsoft played by the rules and competed on the basis of a quality product instead of locking out the competition, we may have seen Windows 7 come with build in AV functionality."

I only ever buy laptops so I don't build systems on my own. I can't think of the last time I bought a system where I wasn't at least asked if I wanted AV software or had a product thrust upon me.

On top of that, even if the Netscape anti-trust suit hadn't been filed, Microsoft putting AV software into Windows would raise an issue as they'd be using their dominance in one market (Windows) to overtake another (AV software). Maybe the US JD would let it go, but the EU would have a field day with it - like they are with the Oracle buyout of Sun.

jersey72 November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


In reality, this is much ado about nothing. Microsoft never claimed Windows shouldn't have AV software, so Sophos's blog posting is disingenuous. At the same time, people shouldn't be losing their mind over the blog posting and should see it for what it is - Sophos marketing themselves.

jersey72 November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


Jersey72 - the only thing disingenuous is Paul's article about this whole issue. Sophos tested a DEFAULT installation of Windows 7 and posted their results. There is nothing bogus about that. That is how many users will run Windows 7.

Yet Paul cries foul because Sophos was not using Microsoft's AV product before testing. Claiming that is deceptive.

Of course Sophos is marketing themselves, they sell products that compete with the Microsoft solution. But there is nothing wrong with showing how susceptible Windows 7 is to attacks when not protected.

Would a better comparison be to see how many problems their product catches versus the Microsoft one, absolutely. But that does not change the fact that out of the box Windows 7, as sold, is vulnerable.

Should people run AV software, Yes. Does Security Essentials lower the risk of Virus and malware, sure. But that does not change the facts of Sophos's tests

yoshipod November 10, 2009 (Article Rating: )


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