WinInfo Short Takes, October 29, 2010

An often irreverent look at some of this week's other news ...

PDC10: Emphasis on Web, Cloud, and Mobile

At its Professional Developers Conference 2010 (PDC10), held this week on its Redmond campus, Microsoft doesn't have a major new platform to push on developers—well, at least not one it hadn't previously announced. Instead, the software giant is focusing very specifically on recently released (or recently announced) platforms that Microsoft believes are key to its ongoing success. These include Internet Explorer (IE) 9, which embraces hardware-accelerated HTML 5 and a blurring of the lines between traditional Windows applications and web apps; the company's numerous cloud services, but especially the dramatically powerful Windows Azure platform; and of course, Windows Phone 7, which has both raised the bar for what's possible on the go and redefined the way consumers can use these suddenly pervasive devices. If you're familiar with how PDCs used to work, this might be somewhat surprising. But in the wake of so much bad news about Microsoft, this PDC and this week's earning announcements sort of put things in perspective. The company is actually doing a lot of things right.

PDC10: Microsoft Demos Amazon Kindle App for Windows Phone

The highlight of PDC10 for me, so far, has been a demo of Amazon's upcoming Kindle app for Windows Phone 7. Although Microsoft had previously revealed that the app would ship by the end of 2010, this week was the first public look at the app, which is shaping up to be the nicest Kindle app experience yet. (Amazon ships Kindle apps for the iPhone, iPad, Android, and BlackBerry already, as well as for the PC, Mac, and web.) Unique to the Windows Phone version of the app are the Metro-style UI, which is gorgeous, and a "suggestion" feature that lets you send book suggestions to friends from within the app using Windows Phone's normal sharing interface. The Windows Phone version also surfaces personalized book suggestions to the app's start screen. I can't wait to snag it; the Kindle is the superior eBook platform by far, and part of its appeal is the pervasiveness of its clients.

Microsoft Earnings Toss Aside Apple Worries

Although someone should at least point out that Apple and Microsoft are no longer the same kinds of companies at all, the comparisons are inevitable. But with Apple posting revenues of about $20 billion in its most recent quarter and Microsoft posting "just" $16 billion, some have decided that this comparison is what they'll use to spin the news. There are other ways, of course. Microsoft's operating income was $7.12 billion (up 59 percent) and its net income was $5.41 billion; Apple earned "just" $4.3 billion. This isn't an anomaly; Microsoft routinely outperforms Apple when it comes to profits, though Apple is quite fond of pointing out what seem to be quite heady gross margins. Microsoft's earnings were also dramatically higher than Wall Street analysts' estimates—all the more remarkable because Microsoft doesn't conservatively "guide" these estimates like Apple does (underreporting what it expects so that its results look even better). So, Wall Street expected Microsoft to earn 55 cents per share, but it really earned 62 cents per share—a huge difference—and unlike with Apple, not an artificial one. Naturally, Apple fans will react to this news the way they always do, with Monday Morning Quarterback syndrome. "Well, of course Microsoft's margins are higher," they'll claim. "After all, software is so much cheaper to make than hardware." Is it now? Someone should look into how much these companies spend, respectively, on research and development. I'll ruin the surprise: It's not even close. And one more thing: Although two-thirds of Apple's revenues come from products that didn't recently exist, Microsoft's revenues come largely from long-time product lines. There are two ways to spin that one, too: Apple is either correctly seeing market changes before they happen (the established view), or maybe the company is just admitting that its previous approach—taking on the entire PC industry—was an utter failure. Apple has to move into new markets, whereas Microsoft's continued success in its traditional markets can help it migrate to new revenue models—cloud computing, especially, but also mobile and entertainment—at a more steady clip, one that won't rock the boat for its voluminous number of enterprise customers. There are 1.4 billion PCs in the world. According to Apple, fewer than 50 million of them are Macs. Do the math.

Apple Jumps Past RIM, Is 4th Largest Mobile Phone Maker Worldwide

According to IDC, Apple surpassed Research in Motion (RIM) in the most recent quarter to become the world's fourth-largest maker of mobile phones. Number one on the list, of course, is Nokia, with 32 percent market share and flat sales, year over year. At number two is Samsung (21 percent, up 19 percent), while LG Electronics (8 percent, down 10 percent), Apple (4 percent, up a crazy 91 percent), and RIM (3.6 percent, up 46 percent) round out the top five. Apple's strong gains here mirror its gains in the PC market in a way, with its year-over-year increases possible because of a relatively small starting point. (Even RIM jumped a huge amount year over year.) Total mobile phone sales were 340 million units in the quarter (compared with about that many for the full year for PCs)

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Discuss this Article 45

tayme
on Oct 30, 2010
@"Chuck" - Ooohhh, a *double dare*?!?! You really mean business now, don't you? I can't resist that. Here, I'll do it your style...

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/operating_systems/the_great_double_standard.html

That's the first link from a Google search, I am sure you can find the rest.
Gordon (not verified)
on Oct 29, 2010
Did something happen to the koolade this week? Perhaps just a tad too many sour grapes in the mix.

Careful Paul, the little Mac fanboys are going to get bitchy and start stomping their feet.

no wait..
infiniteloop
on Oct 31, 2010
This from CNN:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/27/technology/microsoft_pdc/
WinMac
on Oct 30, 2010
Love how Paul attributes Apple's growth to its small market share, when a few years ago he wrote the future of the Mac off and argued in quite some detail that it was mathematically impossible for Apple to ever achieve 5% of the PC market in the USA...

He also said iPods wouldn't sell, then he said iPhones wouldn't be successful.

More recently, he said no-one would buy an iPad and also that Apple wants to classify them as something other than a PC solely to disguise how insignificant they will be in the market. Of course we now know, that if iPads were classified as PCs, Apple's market share would be doubled and that Apple would now be the the second or third largest PC maker in the world by sales volume!! We also know that in a few years virtually all laptops will be iPad type devices or heavily influenced by it.

I suggest Paul should take his own advice and "do the math"... a few year down the track, he is always wrong about everything...
tayme
on Oct 29, 2010
What do you get when you mix Apple Koolaid and politics?

http://www.tipb.com/2010/10/29/president-george-bush-addicted-ipad/comment-page-1/#comments
Logjamming
on Oct 29, 2010
"Microsoft's operating income was $7.12 billion (up 59 percent) and its net income was $5.41 billion; Apple earned "just" $4.3 billion."


So now throw in your market share argument (90% vs 10%) and then come back again, Turd.

Oh wait, that would make your whole argument obsolete.

Selective information gathering: only a nitwit blogger dubbed "Mr Selective Argument Paul Thurrot" on a Microsoft payrol can spin these numbers around.

People don't buy it anymore, Paulie: they really don't. It's on CNN, it was on the Guardian: no one wants Microsoft anymore.

The only stuff they sell is stuff they sell to people Microsoft is forcing to use.

Jump ship before it's too late, Turd. Steve Ballmer won't be paying your paycheck for very much longer! And you probably can still revert your online image as a 'sad looney'.
yoshipod
on Oct 29, 2010
"or maybe the company is just admitting that its previous approachtaking on the entire PC industrywas an utter failure."

Name one other PC manufacturer who has seen their revenue & profits & market share increase (for the PC business only) as much as Apple's have over the past 5 years.

Somehow that is not an utter failure. Remove every $ from idevices an as Apple pointed out, they would still be the #110 company on the fortune 500.

Desktops: $1.7 billion, up 54 percent from $1.09 billion a year earlier.
Portables: $3.2 billion, up 10 percent from $2.89 billion a year earlier.

Yes, that looks to me like an "utter failure"



infiniteloop
on Oct 30, 2010
Aww Tamey,

I think you care a great deal.
tayme
on Oct 31, 2010
@"Chuck" - What I was referring to as easy is getting you and your buddy, Klimecki, all worked up to the point where you seem to be frothing at the mouth and "double daring" people to do things. I am assuming that you are actually an adult and not a child, but you got so worked up that your posts are beginning to sound like a spoiled child throwing a fit. It's actually pretty funny when you think about it. Free advice - you may want to consider that in the future.
argraphics
on Oct 29, 2010
Silly Main Stream Media is now picking up on this...

Microsoft is a dying consumer brand ( CNN)

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/27/technology/microsoft_pdc/index.htm

tayme
on Oct 29, 2010
@Weir - That's bunk...I make my own decisions...don't you?
forkieboy
on Oct 29, 2010
Sorry, should have been uninstall version 10.
tayme
on Oct 30, 2010
@Klimecki - If I cared enough I would go back and copy that original post for you, since you don't seem to have the wherewithal to do so yourself...instead, I'll let you walk away, patting yourself on the back and high diving your buddies because you "won" this argument. Relish in your moment in the spotlight.
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2010
Meanwhile, Apple sells out of iPhone 4 in on day in China:

http://business.globaltimes.cn/industries/2010-10/587602.html
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2010
What? No news about ZunePhone 7 'roaring out of the gate'?

BananaJr
on Oct 30, 2010
"Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer told software developers on Thursday that his company will prove doubters wrong and succeed in the mobile field, because the smartphone market is still in its infancy.

"We're early; there's no question we're early," Ballmer said" -CNNMoney.com

Ballmer has to remember that he's been in the Smart Phone space going on 8 years now right? So by early is he referring to Windows Mobile? Or did he go down the rabbit hole and is in Wonderland?

I am going to miss him when he's gone next year.

infiniteloop
on Oct 31, 2010
Hey Tamey:

I'm not worked up at all. This is just a bit of entertainment to me. See I'm not involved in IT at all, so my livelihood does not depend on Microsoft or Apple. I do, however, enjoy watching the slow fall of the arrogant bully from Redmond into irrelevance and ridicule. It is for this reason that I hope Ballmer remains at Microsoft for as long as it takes. He's doing a fine job.
Logjamming
on Oct 31, 2010
@ tayme10/30/2010 12:41:04 PM


Company X telling that Company X is better than Company Y.

And you trust that? Seriously? You must be even dumber than I imagined.

And by considering it easy, it appears you have no need to pursue any intellectual progress.

That's probably best for everyone.
Logjamming
on Oct 30, 2010
@ --tayme10/29/2010 4:07:45 PM


Clearly, you're confusing anecdotes with facts.


Perhaps I'm childish, but boy are you dumb.
forkieboy
on Oct 29, 2010
Sorry, should have been uninstall version 10.
Logjamming
on Oct 30, 2010
@ --tayme10/30/2010 11:15:13 AM

As said, then give proof 'it is shared by many'. I double dare you.

But you can't. And so you won't. Rather, you just keep spitting nasty words.

Don't worry, that's all pretty predictable: if you can't discount the message, go for the messenger.If you were any smarter, you'd know that. Or at least heard of it.

Do hope you are enjoying your MCSE-T-shirt; at least that education fits your intellect.
infiniteloop
on Nov 1, 2010
A good indicator of when someone has lost an argument is when they get abusive and/or try to change the subject.
Christopher
on Oct 31, 2010
Seriously, don't you people ever stop writing? Everyone could save a lot of time and paste the comments from last Friday or the week before. As far as I can tell, everyone pretty much wrote the exact same thing.

At least the Giants are up 2-1. Given that we're talking about SF, they'll somehow manage to choke.
tayme
on Oct 30, 2010
It's funny how easy this is! Everyone have a greet weekend!
tayme
on Oct 30, 2010
@"Chuck" - So I make a statement that is an opinion shared by many and you spew an idiotic rant, and I'm the dumb one? Enjoy your weekend. I hope your parents get you out of the asylum soon.
nim55
on Oct 30, 2010
"I know for a fact that Microsoft has not forced me to use a single thing that I use. I am pretty sure that they have not forced anybody to use anything, for that matter. "

Well, actually, as was revealed at the antitrust trial they DID try to force people to use their products by using their monopoly power to stifle competitors' products.
argraphics
on Oct 29, 2010
Silly Main Stream Media is now picking up on this...

Microsoft is a dying consumer brand ( CNN)

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/27/technology/microsoft_pdc/index.htm

infiniteloop
on Oct 30, 2010
@Lindy:

Apple Market Cap: 275.7B
Microsoft Market Cap: 230.8B

Yeah, 45B is 'slightly' higher.
tayme
on Oct 31, 2010
@O - My Cowboys are sucking it up this year...I am bored. These guys are filling the gap for me.
tayme
on Oct 29, 2010
@"Chuck" - Since you challenged me to provide sources in an earlier post, please provide sources for the following:

- Paul Thurrot[SIC]" on a Microsoft payrol[SIC]
- no one wants Microsoft anymore
- they sell to people Microsoft is forcing to use

I am pretty sure that Paul is not on Microsoft's payroll. He is on Penton's payroll.

I am certain that there are some people that want Microsoft products.

I know for a fact that Microsoft has not forced me to use a single thing that I use. I am pretty sure that they have not forced anybody to use anything, for that matter.

Your childish rants are really funny, though...so you have that going for you.
reunson
on Oct 29, 2010
"Although two-thirds of Apple's revenues come from products that didn't recently exist, Microsoft's revenues come largely from long-time product lines. There are two ways to spin that one, too: Apple is either correctly seeing market changes before they happen (the established view), or maybe the company is just admitting that its previous approachtaking on the entire PC industrywas an utter failure. Apple has to move into new markets, whereas Microsoft's continued success in its traditional markets can help it migrate to new revenue models"

That is the psychotic Paul Thurrot spin on things.
The generally accepted view supported by actual facts is that Microsoft is struggling to break into new markets because their competitors (Google & Apple) have stronger products.
Apple's oldest product (the Mac) has just had a resurgence, with record sales. No failure there.
And speaking of taking on entire industries, the iPhone, iPod and iPad seem to be doing quite well too.

On the other hand we have Microsoft, relying almost solely on the same old 2 products that have long had illegally gained monopolies in their respective markets to generate their profits. MS was convicted for these illegal monopolistic practises and was put under close scrutiny, which hampers them from leveraging their monopoly with Windows to enter new markets. Since MS is now on a more even playing field, the market share for various products have been on a very slow, but noticeable decline.
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/the-open-source-revolution-10014902/microsofts-dwindling-market-share-10020700/

While Microsoft is not dying, they are on the decline and can no longer command the attention they used to. Gone are the days when MS could kill a competitor simply by releasing a rumour of a similar product in development. (Courier)
It is no longer 1995. Deal with it Paul.
reunson
on Oct 29, 2010
"There are other ways, of course. Microsoft's operating income was $7.12 billion (up 59 percent) and its net income was $5.41 billion; Apple earned "just" $4.3 billion."

Not to worry Paul, Apple will surpass Microsofts profits in the next quarter or 2. What financial metric will you spin then?
infiniteloop
on Oct 30, 2010
Noooooooo.


http://mobile.informationweek.com/10243/show/24a87fc40763f380693e4bf68278e115/

If Ballmer goes, it'll be less entertaining.
BananaJr
on Oct 29, 2010
I"ll give you some math to do. Analyst's don't put any money into the game, investors do. You forgot to spin this one Microsoft's way:

MSFT stock price 10 yrs ago/last qtr/today $34/$26/$27

APPL stock price 10 yrs ago/last qtr/today $10/$257/$300

"Microsoft's continued success in its traditional markets can help it migrate to new revenue models" doesn't seem to convince the people who's actual money is on the line to put any faith in that view.

My job depends on Microsoft's success. It brings me no pleasure when Microsoft stumbles. Your continual whitewashing of the situation is disingenuous at best. I need Microsoft to turn this thing around and quickly. For whatever reason you refuse to acknowledge any of the deficiencies that I encounter all the time and propose solutions to them. We continually hammer our MS reps to fix the problems we deal with. Right now my income is negatively affected by the success Apple is having so for you to try to tell me that somehow this is all just "Apple Fan Spin" is total BS.

Take Apple out of the equation. Before Windows Mobile was getting it's ass kicked by the iPhone, it was getting it's ass kicked by the Blackberry. Why? Because the powers that be at Microsoft can only get their software to work with a mouse or stylus. A simple little click wheel ended up dominating the market as a mobile Exchange client. This was this one of many design blunders made along the way. They made the same blunder with tablets. Our dept. was tasked with getting Windows based tablets into our retail stores. Three years later we are still struggling to get them to work. Guess what we are testing now to see if we can replace them? Not to say they are better, just to reiterate that no one is happy with the current Windows tablet solution.

Stick to reporting on Microsoft (and try to be just a teensy weensy bit honest about it). Your Dev report from this week is much better than your Apple ranting.
infiniteloop
on Oct 29, 2010
C'mon it's been a week. Surely someone must have bought one, even by mistake?
Lindy
on Oct 29, 2010
@chuck d you are comparing Apple Microsoft which is not correct when talking about "PC's".

If you want to really compare PC's, market share and profit then you need to compare all Mac makers and "PC's" running OS X to all PC makers that run Windows and Microsoft.

That would mean comparing Apple (Only Mac maker, and only PC's that run OS X) to Microsoft and HP, Dell, Toshiba, Acer, Sony, Asus, Gateway, Lenovo etc.

We know that the Mac\OS X world wide market share is what 4%? We know that Apple has a slightly higher market cap than just Microsoft, and we know that Microsoft still makes slightly more profit than Apple, currently. We just now need to add the market cap of all of those other vendors to Microsofts and then compare that to Apple.

I am guessing Apple will lose.

@Specht I think you are getting your history wrong. Blackberry was the only game in town to support wireless mobile Exchange support for a long time (I ran it with Exchange 5.5 servers). When Microsoft released Exchange 2003 SP2 and Windows Mobile 5, many BES users in the corporate world moved to Windows Mobile as you could get rid of your BES servers and lisences and save $$$. Windows Mobile grew rapidly. It never caught up to BB, but it made a good dent, even after the initial iPhone launched. It was not until the iPhone had EAS support, lisenced by Apple from Microsoft, did it really take off at all in the corporate world. So the iPhone has a good 2 year run (2008-2010) as a choice for EAS users in the coporate world. Now Android is eating into its market and Windows Phone 7 will too.

Also you stock price comparison of the two, most stock brokers would tell you Microsoft is a nice safe bet and that the time to buy Apple stock has passed. It may go up to $400, maybe, but that rapid increase will come down. It always does. Because Apple is so heavily consumer invested its decline could be rapid and harsh without corporate clients that cant change quickly.
Logjamming
on Oct 29, 2010
"There are 1.4 billion PCs in the world. According to Apple, fewer than 50 million of them are Macs. Do the math."

So...basically with about 1/28 of the hardware on the planet, Apple makes more money and nearly the same profit as Microsoft? WOW!!!! That's one hell of a company. And it doesn't even FORCE people the use their hardware/software, unlike the convicted Microsoft.


Btw. Just how many of those 1.4 billion PCs did Microsoft make? Or haven't they moved on beyond the Red-Ringed-of-Death XBox, the some keyboards, and 1479 Kins.

Terrific! Sad looney idd.
guruguru
on Nov 2, 2010
both are sucessful companies. proving that american dominance in the tech world extend far far beyond it's borders. Microsoft isn't going anywhere. It is the de-facto platform the world runs and nobody, and I mean seriously nobody, will ever be able to challenge or match that.There is simply far too much software written for it that is not fart and flashlight apps.

apple will also remain around...for awhile, as a phone vendor. the mac line will not survive for long. apple's lion is a last ditch attempt at a failed strategy and should concentrate on smart phones and the google, MS attack.

in the long run, MS has a very diverse business. cloud, gaming, windows, mobile devices, business and enterprise. Apple sells phones and tablets. Google is the biggest threat to apple now, not MS since google needs to diversify and cannot do it in the windows direction, so they must do it in the apple direction. we're already seeing android overtake ios. apple needs to react quickly instead of spending time in futile attempts to save the sinking ship that is the mac.

it was fun while it lasted, but the mac needs to join the amiga at last.
Christopher
on Oct 31, 2010
"My Cowboys are sucking it up this year..."

I'm originally from Ohio. My NFL teams are Cleveland and Cincy... I'll just leave it at that.
forkieboy
on Oct 29, 2010
@ weir

Itunes won't run without QuickTime. Installs Software Updater and Bonjour without asking. Doesn't warn that if you install version 10 that ping is included. Doesn't warn that unless you backup your intunes library that you can ininstall version 10 but not get access to the version 9 library.

@tayme

Admire your optimism (or is it persistence ?).
infiniteloop
on Oct 30, 2010
@Tayme::

Have you come up with any Apple mis-steps yet?
I'd love to hear what you think they are.
nim55
on Oct 29, 2010
"I know for a fact that Microsoft has not forced me to use a single thing that I use. I am pretty sure that they have not forced anybody to use anything, for that matter. "

Well, actually, as was revealed at the antitrust trial they DID try to force people to use their products by using their monopoly power to stifle competitors' products.
chuckb84
on Oct 31, 2010
"Someone should look into how much these companies spend, respectively, on research and development. I'll ruin the surprise: It's not even close."

Someone should look into how much these companies GET, respectively, for what they spend on research and development. I'll ruin the suprise: It's not even close.

The proof of course, is in Paul's next sentence, "Microsoft's revenues come largely from long-time product lines".

But instead of drawing the logical conclusion, that Microsoft's R&D spending has been largely ineffective, he's off to never-neverland to try and make this huge problem a FEATURE. It's either delusional or the big lie; take your pick.

The other take-away in this fascinating bit of denial is to connect the dots that Paul won't touch:

1. "There are 1.4 billion PCs in the world. According to Apple, fewer than 50 million of them are Macs. Do the math."

2. "Total mobile phone sales were 340 million units in the quarter (compared with about that many for the full year for PCs)"

So, mobile phone sales are already 4 times the size of the PC market. Mobile phone sales in ONE YEAR amount to the entire installed base of PCs.

"Apple (4 percent, up a crazy 91 percent)"

So, yes indeed, do the math. Macs are a business so good they would be #110 on the Fortune 500 list as standalone entity. Apple is roaring up in the enormous new mobile market that already dwarfs the PC business in which Microsoft is stuck.

And that's the company that Paul tries so hard to paint as a struggling failure...
wlow3
on Oct 29, 2010
Paul, did you ever apologize to David Pogue and the New York Times for your embarrassing comments last week? His review went up Wednesday night, and, guess what he pretty much likes it. Don't you feel bad now?
infiniteloop
on Oct 30, 2010
Denial, Fear, Delusion. - make your minds up guys.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/209291/has_steve_ballmer_gone_bonkers.html%20target=

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