In Praise of the Windows 8 Desktop

For all the griping about Windows 8, take it from a long-time user: It’s not just OK, it’s better
Windows 8 desktop

Windows 8 desktop

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We’re so consumed by negative reports and bad news about Windows 8 these days that I thought I’d take a step back and remind you about an inconvenient truth: The improvements Microsoft made just to the desktop environment in this release make Windows 8 upgrade a bigger improvement over Windows 7 than that OS was over its own predecessor, Windows Vista.

This isn’t the story you’ll hear from my colleagues in the tech space, many of whom have turned bashing Windows 8 into their primary job function. In my own coverage of Windows 8, especially on the SuperSite for Windows, I’ve tried to blend the pragmatic (how-to’s, tips, feature articles) with the commentary, but even in the latter vein I’ve skewed toward the practical (as in my “How to fix Windows 8” series). I’ve got to get work done. I assume readers do as well.

But here’s the thing. Since December 2011, I’ve used Windows 8 exclusively on all of my own computers. I’ve not so much as dabbled in Windows 7 during this time, except for the occasional support call from my wife (who, incidentally, switched to Windows 8 last fall as well). And I’ve got to tell you, I’m not just used to Windows 8. I prefer it.

Let me take that a step further. While I have certainly spent more time than most using and evaluating a new generation of multi-touch tablets and other Windows 8/RT devices, my own PCs—the ones I’ve actually spent a considerable amount of money on—are decidedly old-school. I’m talking an HP tower PC and a 15-inch Samsung Ultrabook, both purchased new in 2012. Neither has any touch capabilities whatsoever because, you know, I use them for work. Both came with Windows 7. Both times, the OS was stripped off immediately and Windows 8 was installed.

Ah, bliss.

To be clear, I use the desktop almost exclusively. And while there is indeed a jarring aspect to the Metro user experiences that pop up from time to time—none so annoyingly as the new Start screen—the truth is, they work fine. And the new keyboard shortcuts in Windows 8—especially the ones that use the Windows key to great effect now—are excellent. I can motor around this UI, Metro touchiness and all, very efficiently.

But the desktop. Oh, how the desktop has improved.

Gone is the now-antiquated Aero look and feel, its needlessly translucent glass effects replaced by the more pleasing, modern-looking, and, yes, opaque Explorer windows in Windows 8. Microsoft removed Aero because of battery life concerns, which I’m OK with. But I just think it looks better.

Windows Explorer has been upgraded substantially with a new ribbon-based UI that power users will immediately start grousing about. Relax, it’s a win-win: Now, the less sophisticated users you support can actually find what they’re looking for. And you can hide the ribbon, creating the cleanest looking version of Explorer you’ve ever used. And you can mount ISO and VHD images directly into the file system and access them just like normal discs and disks, respectively.

Anyone dogged by slow and unreliable file copies in previous Windows versions, especially over a network, will love that file copy/move has been completely overhauled. It not only looks better with a nice new single-window UI, but it moves like greased lightning, as if Microsoft finally discovered multi-threaded programming for the first time. This isn’t an evolution, it’s a big deal.

Have you ever wondered why Task Manager hadn’t been updated in years, despite Microsoft’s acquisition of Process Monitor with the rest of the Sysinternals suite years ago? Wonder no more: Windows 8’s Task Manager is a thing of beauty and utility, with heat mapping to help identify your most recalcitrant applications and integrated Performance, App history, and Services tools, plus an improved version of the handy startup applications configuration utility that inexplicably went missing in Windows 7.

Looking for better security? You’ve got it: Windows Defender now includes integrated anti-virus capabilities and not just anti-malware as in the past. The SmartScreen malicious download protection feature from Internet Explorer is now built into the OS so it can protect you no matter which web browser you use. Previous versions of documents and other data files are more easily accessible via a new feature called File History.

Power user? Enjoy the easy access to data redundancy with Storage Spaces, no master’s degree in RAID required. Encrypt your disks with BitLocker and BitLocker To Go. And use multiple display configurations more efficiently with vastly improved multi-mon support.

If you care about performance, consider this. Windows 8 boots on both of my PCs in about 6 seconds flat. And you can completely wipe out and reset Windows 8—a process I call “nuke from space”—in 5-7 minutes. There’s even a version of this tool that restores your documents and other files, personal settings, and Metro-style apps: It takes just a few minutes longer, and all you need to do when you’re done is reinstall desktop applications. You can do it during lunch.

On top of all this, Windows 8 provides virtually all of the benefits and functionality of Windows 7, and it runs exactly the same applications, utilities, and drivers. It’s a superset, what I think of as Windows 7++. And that’s before you ever get to the trendy, multi-touch, tablet stuff.

Is Windows 8 perfect? No. No technology is. But it’s also a far cry from the disaster that muck-raking industry pundits describe. And Windows 8 passes what I feel to be the most important test for any upgrade with flying colors: When I use its predecessor, Windows 7, it looks and feels uncomfortably old-fashioned. Someone has to say it. Windows 8 isn’t terrible, folks. Put aside your biases and spend more than 15 minutes with it and you’ll probably agree.

Discuss this Article 47

RickEveleigh
on Mar 19, 2013

Brilliant article, 100% agree. Thanks Paul!

Joneszee
on Mar 19, 2013

I couldn't agree more. Good article thank you. You mention that you installed Win8 on all your computers and you also talked about resetting windows. I haven't tried resetting windows but I may have to at some point in the future. Like you, I've installed Win8 on all my computers and spend 99% of my time on the desktop. I have also been using the OS since the first public developer preview. Like you I have not looked back for one minute. Given that I've installed Win8 on a new SSD on one of my laptops, the question related to 'resetting windows' pops up. Is this 'reset or refresh' out if the SSD fails?... I assume so.
Keep up the good work.
Joneszee

pthurrott
on Mar 19, 2013

Thanks, yes. The traditional recovery options are still available in the event of a hardware failure.

LemonSaucy
on Mar 19, 2013

Out-of-the-box I can't praise Windows 8 Desktop.

It's been deliberately crippled and its appearance has been deliberately clobbered.

That said: yes, there are some real improvements that could have been praised had the Microsoft people not dissed the Desktop in favour of the marketing they foisted on the public known as Metro.

I like the Windows E8 Explorer ribbon interface.

I think the Copy button is really well done.

I like the chrome - the new theme - to a point - I do not like the way the windows unfocus to a bland gray that can't be changed - and I do not like the way the title text remains black even when the chrome colour darkens - both are unbelievable faults considering Windows is Microsoft's bread and butter. But I do like the new colours and square look - it's a bit of a refresh. They could have done an Aero version as an alternative theme had they been seriously looking to their customer's wants etc.

Did I say I like the ribbon? Well it can be said twice - job well done there Microsoft - but I'm only taking about the ribbon, here, not Windows 8 as a whole.

Because I really hate how they've split settings between Control Panel and Metro. I really HATE that. Account settings are split between Metro and Control Panel. You can change an account name and type through Control Panel, but can't change the accounts' picture except through Metro. It's all over the place.

Networking is screwed up to - it's not intuitive how to change the Network type from Public to Work or to Private. And that Home thing can show up and refuse to leave no matter what you do if you select the wrong button. To compare : it is all so blinking easy in Windows 7.

And that's why Windows 7 remains on my main computer and Windows 8 is regulated to testing.

jsullyboy
on Mar 19, 2013

Unfortunately common sense does not get web clicks or headlines.

Asgardi
on Mar 19, 2013

100% agreed. Windows 7 indeed feels very dated. And office 2010 too. The small things really matter (startup and resume from sleep performance, login screen, taskbar in every screen, overall UI, notifications, ISO mounting, small animations here and there...). This is true even for Windows Server 2008 R2 when compared to 2012.

jonf805
on Mar 19, 2013

Windows 7 was seen as an immediate improvement to Vista and XP. Windows 8 is a dud and too different than Win 7. MS gave no option to keep the classic start menu even though it would have been a simple add-in. There are many add-ins from third parties to add the start menu back in which shows that people want the option.

[This comment was edited to make it less offensive. --Paul]

jboyle
on Mar 19, 2013

I really don't understand all the fuss about the start menu as I never really had the need to use it much in previous versions of Windows, well apart from maybe choosing run to get to a command prompt or going into the control panel and these are easier to get to in Windows 8. I have recommended Windows 8 to clients and some who I thought may struggle with the start screen, but no problems and they're all happy mainly working with their desktop applications as previous.

denisonf
on Mar 19, 2013

So I have been using windows since ver 2, I am very comfortable with the Win 7 UI. I haven't tested Windows 8 as non of my clients applications are complaint with 8 yet. I'm preparing a test system to play with, what are the top 10 gotcha's for a new user of 8, and what are the best way to avoid these? Thanks in advance.

cbsturgill
on Mar 19, 2013

I agree, Windows 8's desktop is superior to Windows 7.

bilj65
on Mar 19, 2013

I don't disagree that there are many more subtle improvements in Windows 8 that are rarely mentioned. I have updated most of my home systems to Windows 8 now (got that nice $40 upgrade price while it lasted). I still have complaints about Windows 8 and I think other people must be experiencing it too:
1) I still miss the start menu, but Start8 solves that. Why do I like the old Start menu over the new Start screen?
a) Start menu allows you to use mouse to access and launch any app. With Start screen, I must either lean forward and hit my Windows key to get into it, or I must struggle with that microscopic "Gee-Spot" to make it come up.
b) Start menu already has my applications orgnaized in a hierarchy. Start screen is a big messy free-for-all of icons. If you know the name of your app, yes you can quickly start typing the name (requires leaning forward to keyboard, however), but what if you don't know the name of the app? It's easier to find any app (or Control Panel, or access Devices, etc) in the older start menu.
2) Windows AppStore apps (or Modern UI apps, whatever) are really horrible unless you really use a tablet.
Case in point: I used Windows Live Messenger to chat with my husband while he was at home. Later we switched to Skype, but same issue: He gets a notification of a new IM from me, but to see the full dialog he must switch to the ModernUI app which takes over the whole screen. Then he must switch back to resume what he was doing (browsing internet, reading email, etc).
Under Windows 7, you could have Messenger or Skype in a small window and position that somewhwere on your desktop where you could still work on something else. With these ModernUI apps, you must continually switch back and forth, which is a pain when you have no touch screen. I HATE these silly apps on a regular home PC.
I solved this by using a Windows 7 system to download Skype for Windows, then installed it on Windows 8 and I use it as a desktop app. But if you only have a Windows 8 system, it's hard to download Skype for Windows because their site forces you into the Windows 8 store all the time.

Aeriden
on Mar 19, 2013

I completely agree with your sentiments and my own experience, having used Windows 8 since the consumer preview full time, mirrors many of the same issues. Start8 is a required fix or I would still be in Windows 7. The Windows 8 Start screen is a mess. Great of tablets. Not liked by me with a laptop.

Having the Start menu also cover the entire screen is jarring and causes me to lose context of what I was working on previously (I typically have 10-15 applications open concurrently) when bringing up another application or to do concurrently while launching another application (launch while reading, for example).

For users in the enterprise, Windows 8 just doesn't offer enough of a benefit. The new Windows Explorer benefits just don't help the typical user who doesn't do power user tasks, which I believe is much better in Windows 8 (which is why I haven't jumped ship).

I don't mind the new UI changes (move away from Aero) but it seems like the interfaces are so inconsistent. But then I don't mind Windows 7 either. "Metro", Aero, old style apps (legacy apps still prevail) and one has a mismatch of interfaces going on. Heck, even the Open File dialog box is different depending on the API used within an application.

For the standard non-tech user who just wants to run email, browser, Office, and other applications, Windows 8 is jolting on a laptop/desktop machine. "Metro" apps that take up the entire screen on 1920x1080 monitors (or higher if one has a 27"+ display) or requires a new way to just get a split screen (hello Windows 1.x!) to at least view information in two apps while having less features then their full windows app brothers/sisters seems to be a productivity downgrade.

That being said, I do like how fast Windows 8 installs and boots. Start8 rocks and should have been an included feature/option in the OS from Microsoft.

The wireless network management is painful for traveling users (connecting, having a "charms" menu popup and not let you click on a window until it disappears, not to mention a lack of wi-fi management).

vvincent1
on Mar 19, 2013

I have to admit that I both like the Start Screen and Aero as well. The Aero effects were always nice (from my perspective) without being distracting. Any modern ( <5 year old) graphic card was capable of supporting it, which meant that the UI rendering was offloaded from the processor. Not a big deal, but still nice. Contrast that with the Windows 8 desktop which seems a little flat for my taste. Not bad at all - just not my taste.

Additionally, I find the Start Screen relatively easy to navigate - even on a desktop. I use the Logitech Wireless Touchpad T65, and it works very well. Surprisingly enough, I also move fairly easily between the touchpad and my mouse without any problems.

kleinkinstein
on Mar 19, 2013

Riiiiiight, Paul! Nice attempt at evoking the oldest journalistic trick in the book, write against the tide. 8ate is horrid and plagiarizing QDir and Teracopy, re-scheming a simple RAID protocol, automating a slipstream and shaving off a few boot seconds (irrelevant with an SSD anyway) doesn't make this atrocious OS remotely palatable.

8hate is truly hideous and so broken, it's honestly beyond debate. Here is your truth serum, http://bit.ly/RHc74h

pthurrott
on Mar 19, 2013

Oh stop it.

My take here is simple honestly. And unlike the clown in the video you link to, I use the Windows 8 desktop every single day. Every single day.

Bulldog
on Mar 19, 2013

With Stardock's Start8 I am able to do all my work on the desktop and thus I can appreciate all the technical improvements in Windows 8 that Paul mentioned. I'm not at all ashamed to say I don't care for the Start Screen.

I do wish the Windows 8 style was not so flat, however. While I agree that transparent glass was excessive, a certain amount of 3D effect is helpful in distinguishing interface elements.

To those who make fun of Windows 8 desktop dwellers: Since Windows XP (at least) Microsoft has allowed users wide latitude to customize Windows interface elements to their liking. Why suddenly is this not good?

rcw
on Mar 19, 2013

Put the Desktop tile in the upper left corner of the Metro/Start screen and on boot up just tap Enter and your on the Desktop. I also prefer 8 but then I'm a young upstart of 68 who is not afraid to learn something new.

bigfire
on Mar 19, 2013

I also like Windows 8 over 7, but that's because of Start8. I even use it on my Yoga 13, where I operate in desktop mode or Metro, but rarely back in forth. Had MS released Windows with the Start menu and a toggle control to go back and forth, I think Win8 would have had a much better acceptance.

Also, I completely disagree about Aero translucency. I definitely liked it and miss it, but what bugs me most is how MS just took it away when they could have left it in as a theme without compromising any future design. It's requires tremendous arrogance to take away something that's only cosmetic with the line "that's cheesey and old, you don't want to that."

oroslak
on Mar 19, 2013

Car designers also make design changes on the basis that last year's, or previous years', models were "cheesy and old," and they don't take a poll of owners before doing so. Call it arrogance if you want, but I for one am grateful that appearance/design choices are left to designers, and not to users.

I recall an episode of the Simpsons where Homer was consulted on all design features of a new model car. Not surprisingly, once built, it ruined the company.

Abasi
on Mar 19, 2013

All of these comments so far are from a hobbyist's point of view. Windows8 will be a chore to deploy because of the lack of start menu (things IT Managers think about). But even overlooking this, one major problem (not really talked about) with win8 is that it came out too soon. How many companies are even at 50% of WIn7 roll-out?? And when was the last time you heard the term "desktop refresh". There's a reason why M$ has to buy a stake in Dell to save it. #FireBallmer

techman.merb
on Mar 20, 2013

I work in IT and the lack of a Start Menu will actually be a boon to IT managers. I've installed a few systems in business environments and installed only the shortcuts to the programs that a user requires, on the Metro screen, and locked down the system. Now the user boots up in the morning and has exactly what is needed before their eyes and nothing else.

It's very simple to do and the user is still using the same software as before. End user training took all of 2 minutes.

wp7mango
on Mar 20, 2013

Abasi, that's nonsense.

IT Managers can right-click on the bottom left corner which brings up a "Power User" start menu, from which you can access everything you need.

cobbjn
on Mar 19, 2013

Good article and agree 100%. Love the Windows 8 desktop and the start screen doesn't bother me. I also have a Samsung laptop with a touchscreen, and Windows 8 makes so much more sense with a touchscreen.

I also have a tablet PC (a Dell Latitude 10) from work, which is nice for when I am commuting on the train. It is great for watching movies, playing some games and reading some email. Except that many of my emails come with Excel spreadsheets, and it hopeless for that. The touch targets aren't big enough and if you use the keyboard, you loose half the screen. So back to the work laptop and Windows 7.

So for now we still have the desktop, but for how long ? What I fail to understand is where Microsoft thinks it is going with the Metro/Modern interface, particularly in business. We make heavy use of Word, Excel and Outlook and really do use the features. We also have two major line of business apps - a Medical Case Management system and an Occupational Health reporting system. Most people have dual screens and multiple windows open to do their work. In this environment, touch can't be used, and isn't needed. There is no way that a Metro type interface is ever going to work for this use case, which is mirrored around the world in thousands of companies. So what happens in Windows 9 or 10 ? Is Microsoft really going to loose the desktop and throw away most of its market ?

n2cheval
on Mar 19, 2013

Paul, I like and read your articles because you usually present a view that is practical, objective, logical and a good read, but (there is always a but) sometimes you do an article like “In Praise of the Windows 8 Desktop”.

Where to begin…The bottom line: When something is truth (inconvenient or not), it is truth, but you are expressing an opinion (inconvenient or not), so let’s not forget that. Especially as most paragraphs talk more about feelings then practicality and knowledge transfer.

All in all, I agree with your individual points that Win8 has done things much better, but when talking about “praise of the desktop”, I’m not sure hardware differences, Metro, security, RAID and application compatibility are desktop *only* features. Why isn’t there a clear, coherent thought and message?

Also what is with the last paragraph? It reads like a frustrated fanboy salesman. Win8 is a good operating system, but it has some quirks that doesn’t rub well with *most* of the population. That’s the inconvenient truth. Instead of “My baby is pretty, no matter what you say!” attitude, why not either present practical knowledge to work past the quirks or suggest alternative paths to avoid the quirks?

AlexFeren
on Mar 19, 2013

Paul, aren't you getting a feeling that you're beating a dead horse?
Surely, you can conceeede that for 99% of current Windows 7 desktop/laptop users there's no practical reason to upgrade and If anything, with changes in 8, there's actually a number of disincentives to do so?
We all know you're committed to MS.

pthurrott
on Mar 20, 2013

The dead horse is the "Windows 8 sucks" meme. Windows 8 is or isn't doing well in the market. This discussion is about the quality of the OS on the desktop. And sorry, but it's better than Windows 7.

greghi
on Mar 19, 2013

I have been thinking of all of the things in the article whilst reading a lot of the negative blogs the past 6 months, I have to come to the conclusion that either, there are bloggers who are working to seed negativity about the OS to raise the profile and adoption of their imaginative but false 'Post PC Era', or the post authors need to get the shock value out of these articles which for the most part raise false uncertainty about the OS. Reality of course is that Windows 8 is a solid release, Microsoft just signaled its path towards a very bright future, which includes serious commitment to innovation, we are only seeing the foundation being put in really. Someone needs to speak up, thanks Paul.

rseiler
on Mar 20, 2013

Many, many points in this article beg for comment, but I'm just going to pick on the glass effects. You espouse the flat, basic look of Win8. You say it looks better.

I say what took you so long? You could have had this look in Vista and Win7 too by choosing the "Basic" option, or whatever it was called, in Display Properties.

Why didn't you? Surely you knew what it looked like. You must have thought that it looked better, right?

Glass was one of the main things that people upgraded video cards, and sometimes whole machines for, back in the Vista era when they found that their existing systems didn't quite hack it. It was/is popular. It could have easily remained an option, just like it was in Vista/Win7.

BTW, I've never read an article that actually demonstrates the battery savings with glass and without, have you? Even if it was significant, which I highly doubt, the option to disable/enable it would have been available if MS so chose. They could have even defaulted to basic for laptops and glass for desktops.

pthurrott
on Mar 20, 2013

Simple. Windows Basic looked *terrible* in Windows Vista/7. And that was by design, to get people to upgrade to PCs that could support glass: If you recall, they originally came out with an even worse rendition of Windows Basic and the complaints were so bad they had to (slightly) fix it.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/windowsvista/archive/2006/07/06/440510.aspx

In Windows 8, the flat new look is great (in my opinion), nothing like Windows Basic, and much better than Aero glass.

dregourd
on Mar 20, 2013

Hello Paul,
Each single word you say about the desktop is true, the desktop experience is unreachable by the regular user. A friend of mines, very casual user, just brought back her new Toshiba PC to the vendor because she couldn't reach the desktop!
So what's the use of a state-of-the-art desktop experience if it stays hidden from the eyes?
Windows 8 desktop will fade away, and frustrated customers who wasted several hundred euros (or bucks) for it will never give it a second chance, thanks to the large offer provided by the competition.
David

techman.merb
on Mar 20, 2013

If any user cannot find the desktop, they shouldn't be using any computer at all. Get them an XBox and they can use that to go online instead. But they would probably find that too complicated also.
I recently set up a new HP all-in-one touchscreen system for a friend to replace her 5 year old Mac book and she is far from a power user. She fell in love instantly with Win 8 and has absolutely no problems using it.

dregourd
on Mar 20, 2013

I agree with you Techman. My friend is not talented at all. She just bought a regular 500 euros NON TOUCH laptop with Windows 8 on it and I can tell you it was a mess, because she get the tutorial on "how to swipe from here and there to activate this and that", and she thought that her supposed touch screen was out of order.
I am a Microsoft certified trainer and engineer. I just want to mention that regular people are completely lost with the new system, while they were in the confort zone with Windows Seven.
With a smal effort, MS could have give a helpfull hand to these people.
In the 90's, MS was known for the user's lab where real people were tested, like they do on shampoo or ketchup.
David

jsboswell
on Mar 20, 2013

I have been using Windows 8 on my laptop and home pc since the first release, I use win 7 on my work pc. I work almost 100% in the desktop but increasingly find win 7 quite old fashioned by comparisson.
My kids (6, 7 and 9) took to windows 8 without issue or problem and I'm amazed at how quickly they are able to automatically navigate about without even thinking about it, it seems more intuative to people with open minds!

17thMustang
on Mar 20, 2013

I have only minor issues with the new interface. When you go into IE, that is jarring, with a big blue screen right in your face. Yes, yes, get on with it. What I do like is the move away from the office orientated desktop. The other night I saved a folder to the desktop, then spent a while trying to find it again later as I have over 50 little shortcuts and files on it. At my workplace, where often people use 2 screens side by side, it is not uncommon for one of them to be covered in icons, 22 wide screen inches of icons, what a nightmare. Things really have to move on.

I still feel Windows 8 maybe a little flaky round the edges, but to get away from the world of Iconia is a definietly a step forward.

briski101
on Mar 20, 2013

I am a user of pretty much all OS's. I use Linux Mint at home on my primary PC. I use Windows 8 on my family's primary PC and on my work laptop. I use Windows 7 on my kid's laptops. I have used Mac OS X at work on the Mac's. I have an Android phone, have used a Windows phone and an IPhone. I am not a "fan boy" of any as I try to use them all and see what is working and what is not. I have been using Windows 8 for about 3 months. When I loaded it and had to go through the learning curve, I was disappointed in the change. But I have found out now that I like it much better than windows 7. I have found the navigation easy to use even with non touch interfaces. I use the mouse at home on the touch screen at home more than the touch interface. The mouse wheel is extremely useful! I like the speed at which it boots and it shuts down very fast. I do find the app store clunky and the apps semi useful. That is one of the things I found when I tested windows 7 on the phone. I loved the interface but it did not have the apps I needed. So all and all I do really like Windows 8. Could it be improved? Yes of course. But just to hate on a product because it is made by a company is ludicrous.

Now on the business side I see issues with the change. Business users are a difficult lot to please. I have found that things such as Cisco's VPN client and other products do not play well with Windows 8. Java was a pain to install ( I know you say we should not use it but we have no choice at work. Our apps are our apps). I do thinks once the business users learn to use the Windows Key with X they will see the desktop is there if they need it for comfort. I know the new group policy additions are very nice and Windows server 2012 seems to be very good. Microsoft of course kills us with licensing costs and the way they license things changes every year. We of course cannot change as none of the other OS's contain everything we need. Folks using BYOD connect their Macs and Ipads at work but the policies on these are hard to use and expensive to maintain in the non windows world.

I am trying to be as objective as I can and I know that some fan boy of one of the other products is going to "prove" me wrong. But my opinion is still the same. I have grown to really like Windows 8.

starz
on Mar 20, 2013

kleinkinstein, thanks for posting that link :)

Paul - good try and I do not disagree with any of the positive things you wrote. My favorite feature is the system save state and that fast boot time. Having said that, I think everyone knows this was not a success for Microsoft. I almost feel like no one in development ran this OS on a normal desktop.

If one can overlook the less than ascetic GFKAM (Gui Formerly Known As Metro), the totally counterproductive interfacing with a mouse and the forcing of a touch enabled interface on desktops that have a mouse (oh, like 90% of their install base) - I guess you could really like Win8. When everyone is running to get 3rd party Startmenu's - you have failed. I have my hundreds of Apps categorized by function - I don't remember the name of every app, it is like going to the library to look something up but you can't do it by Subject or going to Google and only being able to search by the name of an article and not metadata.

WHAT IF - What if instead of forcing the GFKAM on every desktop the installation asked if this was a touch enabled device. If yes we install GFKAM, if no we install a Startmenu (maybe even a new enhanced one) and boot the OS to the desktop. Then GFKAM is a launch button in the Startmenu or the Desktop (kind of like Apple's LaunchPad). And what if... when it is installed on a piece of non-touch hardware those GFKAM apps get window like buttons (big and fancy - but real buttons on all that empty real-estate around the edges).

I think that would have really been a winner... and I do not think it would have taken much to add those changes. I had a MS rep visit me and I went off on Win8, he used that official line "well if you want to stay in the past you can use the desktop". He told me how he now pins all of the stuff he uses to the taskbar (really!) and then gave me three little cards that had one line sayings on one side and all the new Win8 shortcuts on the other. I said "In an era of high-tech and usability... do you realize what you just did?"

tinkererguy
on Mar 20, 2013

I'm also a power user, and a fan of the new Task Manager / Resource Monitor, written about at:
http://itproguru.com/expert/2013/02/windows-task-manager-auto-started-as-an-effective-cpu-monitor-in-your-system-tray/

And now that I have ModernMix, I even use the Modern UI a bit more, even on my main 2560x1440 monitor.

But really, for me, decent multi-monitor support was the key reason I moved to Windows 8 fulltime, since the day the GA code was available on MSDN back in August 2012.

bastmuchII
on Mar 21, 2013

Windows 8 is not better than Windows 7. I kept an open mind, tried Windows 8 for a month, then went back to Windows 7. The Metro stuff is awful and should be removed. Tablet computing interfaces forced upon desktop users is simply not good.

wp7mango
on Mar 21, 2013

Oh man, did you not read the article?

The article is specifically about Windows DESKTOP, and how the Windows 8 DESKTOP is better than the Windows 7 DESKTOP.

Your comment is therefore a complete waste of digital space!

roncerr
on Mar 21, 2013

He makes a good point that is applicable to the Windows 8 desktop "Tablet computing interfaces forced upon desktop users is simply not good." This applies to the removal of the Start Menu and forcing desktop users to switch back and forth to the useless tile version unless they go against Paul's advice and install something like Classic Shell. But I do understand that if they let you boot to the Win 7 desktop and Start Menu, most of us would avoid the tile page entirely, unless we just felt like playing around and wasting time.

Abasi
on Mar 21, 2013

I had no choice but to return to this article & comments after an elderly employee came to me asking for advise about getting a new laptop because she couldn't find any with Windows 7 on it and refused to 'learn something different" and get Windows 8. She even returned a macbook back to the Apple store because of the learning curve. Somehow the conversation went towards her iphone and she realizes now that all she needs is an iPad with keyboard. In conclusion M$ royally screwed this one up because she's an example of what the real world sales of Win8 is #dead And I'm impartial and was really hoping that the SurfacePro was going to change the tide. #EpicFail

wp7mango
on Mar 21, 2013

Abasi,

Nonsense! What your story indicates is that the average person doesn't need a PC, regardless of operating system. The fact that she returned her Macbook is further proof. It shows that the average consumer wants a really simple light-weight tablet device for their light-weight usage requirements.

The fact that she doesn't want to learn anything new isn't a failure of Windows 8, because Windows 8 happens to be an excellent operating system on a tablet - far more capable and powerful than iOS. She wouldn't have purchased an Android tablet either, because that would also require learning something new.

WATERCHEMIST
on Mar 22, 2013

I also tried Windows 8 and just gave up on it. As a software developer, I need to install a lot of older tools (to support older projects.) After setting up a Windows 8 machine with a full toolset, the Start Screen was a complete disaster.

Everything that would normally be tucked away in a neat little folder on the Start Menu is a whole tile on the Windows 8 Start Screen. Is there any way to prevent this? Is there an easier way to customize the Start Screen than the painfully slow right-clicking on every tile?

But the biggest problem with Windows 8 for me is the new Desktop. The non-client area (tile bar, borders, etc.) of windows is freakishly HUGE. It's a waste of space, especially given the simpler, flatter, (and quite boring) drawing style. I miss the transparent windows, I just can't accept that the new Windows look better...because quite frankly they don't.

And finally there is the new Visual Studio 2012 - why on earth can't Microsoft maintain a consistent UI experience here. The app doesn't highlight the title bar as a application should when you activate it. WHY?. And the status bar is purple - Freaking Purple!!! I know there are ways to change the colors, but I don't want to have to do that!! Just make it look good from the start, and let users apply a garish colors scheme if they choose...

It has to be said - Microsoft isn't well. The products we are seeing from this company are less appealing than what we have received in the past. This isn't the Microsoft I fell in love with.

horsefeathers
on Mar 27, 2013

It's really sad to see the new Windows 8 being hailed as the future of desktop computing when most people prefer the Windows 7 ability to configure and use - I think others who have posted here have covered the basic thought that Microsoft could have made the Windows 7 desktop an option but in their wisdom have alienated a great many people - I work as a Systems Admin and would not switch from Windows 7 to Windows 8 if you paid me for security and other issues - the Metro 'playtime' desktop many feel encourages internet goofing off at work which if you know security opens up the company network to malware and root kits from sites that have been hacked by the bad guys - if Windows wants to play nice with the thinking public they need to make a Windows 7 desktop an option in Windows 8 otherwise some shops will start switching to a Linux desktop with something like 'Wine' used to run Windows programs :-)

irfanfare
on Mar 31, 2013

Thanks Paul for writing this article in the days when almost everyone has to say something against Windows8. Have installed and used, till expiry, all the versions of Windows8 ( DP, CP, RP, Enterprise and now Pro) in dual boot with Windows7 HP which was an upgrade from XP Media Centre Edn. on a 2005 HP pavilion desktop. I works so perfectly well that I open Windows7 only to update it, the only changes I have made in the hardware was add a 1 GB ATI Radeon Graphic Card along with enhancement of memory to 2 GB. Yet I enjoy nearly all the features of Windows8 Pro mentioned by you here. Gradually, all the 3 computers and 4 members ( 2 of them over 50) in the family use Windows8 without any issues except for an occasional tip here and there. For the first time I had to purchase 3 Windows upgrades plus an Office 13 upgrade, the most money I ever spent on software.

muraty
on Apr 10, 2013

Paul, you're just kidding saying "Previous versions of documents and other data files are more easily accessible via a new feature called File History". No, it is not easier. It had been easier in the previous versions, in which System Protection protects files automatically. Now, there is no automatic protection and I just wonder how many ordinary users figured out how to setup File History wihich requires external disks.

Corelogik
on Apr 15, 2013

Now id we could just have all of the Windows 8 improvements WITHOUT the Metro bolt schizophrenia, I would buy four copies in a heart beat. I especially like the changes to the, formerly OEM, licensing terms.

Having tried the beta and RTM's though, it is simply NOT usable to me while the Metro remains and no option is given to turn it off or to function without it.

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