Talking Vista Migration

This week, I'd like to take an informal poll of Windows IT Pro UPDATE readers regarding Windows Vista. Specifically, when do you plan to begin rolling out Microsoft's next client OS in your environments?

This question is more complicated than might be originally obvious, of course. Many organizations will no doubt wait quite a while--years even--before looking seriously at Vista. And many organizations will roll out Vista over time--first to those employees that may need certain of its features.

But I'm curious. Microsoft has suffered through years of bad publicity thanks to a seemingly never-ending series of delays. A number of security-related concerns, which I've maybe harped on a bit too much here in UPDATE recently, have also raised questions about the validity of Microsoft's security claims for the new OS. Despite all this, Vista is a major improvement over Windows XP. It's more secure, certainly. It's more full-featured, with a host of useful built-in applications. And it's more easily and elegantly deployed, thanks to new image-based deployment tools.

Ease of use doesn't typically get corporate bean counters excited, and easier deployment really just means yet another thing to learn. Better security should get any Windows user excited, although many also have concerns about the User Account Control (UAC) and its effect on users and the Help desk.

As for new features, Microsoft will be talking up several of them in tandem with the Release Candidate 1 (RC1) release that's expected in early September. Some of these features, like the Easy Transfer Tool, Media Center, and the Snipping Tool, have a decided consumer bent. But others, like Meeting Space (peer-to-peer virtual meetings over wireless networks), Ready Boost (performance improvements thanks to USB 2.0-based memory keys), and the Application Compatibility Toolkit will be of interest to many businesses. That said, I still don't think Microsoft has made a compelling case for why businesses absolutely must upgrade to Vista. Am I missing something there?

I can say this. I've been very critical of the quality of Vista prerelease builds, and deservedly so. But that's changed with last week's release of Vista build 5536, which is a so-called "escrow" build for RC1. (Beta testers received build 5536 last Friday; MSDN and TechNet subscribers will get it some time this week.) The suddenness with which Vista has gone from unusable to desirable is quite shocking. With build 5536, the performance is amazing. All the bugs that have bedeviled me since Beta 2 and beyond are fixed. Hardware that never worked properly with Vista suddenly configures and works fine, with no user intervention. It's like Microsoft flipped the "start working" bit. It just works. (Find out more in my build 5536 review; see the URL below.)

With that in mind, I recommend you grab a copy of RC1 when it becomes publicly available in early September, even if you don't plan on rolling out Vista for quite some time. This will be the first chance many will have to see a version of Vista that both works well and is representative of the final product. Heck, it might help you make a decision about that migration project I suspect many of you are understandably putting off.

Windows Vista Build 5536 Review
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/reviews/windows-vista-build-5536-review.aspx

Let me know about your Vista plans by visiting the Comments section below

Discuss this Article 25

eoschlotz
on Aug 30, 2006
I have a different situation. We develop software that users will want to run on Vista. We are trying to guess when they will really ramp up their adoption, even though we do not have a compelling need to go to it ourselves.
mckoned
on Aug 29, 2006
I don't plan on upgrading at all. Ever. I plan on quitting IT and moving to Italy to grow truffles and potter about my garden.
Benjamin (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
I would be surpised if we're even talking about it 2008. We have around 60,000 clients over 100+ countries.....my head is swooning at the application testing, packaging AND remediateion we would have to do. The US side of the business are just coming up to speed now by deploying XP SP2 (upgrade from NT, 95 and 2000), the international side has been on a XP SP1 SOE image for several years now. The catalyst for upgrade to Vista will more likely have to do with end of support of XP. As always, I expect the small businesses will lead the pack in upgrading and bug finding before SP1 is released. To tell the truth, I would much rather work for a small\medium business as changing direction in big business is likely steering a cruise ship in mud. Good article tho, I will definately be installing Vista on a home pc the first chance I get (as long as my fave games still run!!).
David (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
Like most IT Managers the decision is not solely mine. Any software update especially those that involve the operating system need to be carefully weighed against the value of the upgrade versus how much it will impact the end-user. If it doesn't work right when it's deployed it's going to create a nightmare for your IT staff. I understand that this that Vista lots of new features and is far more secure but none of that matters if it doesn't work. The cool factor is definitely apparent from the Beta releases I've loaded (I haven't loaded the newest one reference in this article) but that still isn't enough of a reason to jump in to the water before you know the temperature. My past experience with Microsoft has been overall pretty positive but when they first release a new product it almost always takes the first service pack before the major bugs have been resolved despite what the spin doctors at Microsoft say. If my budget allows an upgrade to this that in late 2007 and if the first service pack corrects the lion's share of the problems then perhaps I'll add this to my 2008 budget for an expense in early 2008.
cstenson
on Aug 30, 2006
We've just finished migrating from 2000 to XP SP2. No user training was required at all. However with Vista that is going to be different so that is a big factor. I think we'll get new PCs with Vista starting some time in 07 or 08 and upgrade IT beforehand and wait until we are able to support properly.
FRANK (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
Vista? I'm still waiting for the promised NT4 SP7. And when will we ever see SP5 for Windows 2000? A couple days ago Microsoft did an Office Live connect to one of my 2000 Servers because the Network and Dial-up Connections window woulnd not appear, and the tech quickly removed a Microsoft security Roll Up without asking permission; merely said he didn't recommend *anyone* use it. Classic. I think I'm going to change careers; maybe become an application/database programmer on another platform (Fedora, Debian, FreeBSD, OpenVMS, etc.)
Thomas (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
I don't think we'll be moving to Vista for a while. We've got XP roll-outs as close to perfect as you can get. I think we'll be taking a very careful approach to deploying Vista.
mpalmer
on Aug 30, 2006
We'd never "upgrade" to Vista on existing hardware. Historically, as machines come up for renewal in our organization, they are replaced with machines loaded with the latest Microsoft OS. We've always been OEM on the desktop OS.
Steve (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
We will migrate to Vista with new purchases only, and even then, likely starting only in 2008
PeterBoyles
on Aug 29, 2006
If the business buys some super application that will only run on Vista. Otherwise, we will skip it.
Jim (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
We will probably not migrate to Vista until 2008 or later. We will, undoubtdly, set up a couple of machines to try Vista and make a decision based on our findings. We will not make a decision based on a beta or release candidate but will wait for the first, acutual full release and decide from there.
Jim (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
I support a lot of small business customers. We finally have most of them running XP. These customers generally only migrate when then buy a new machine and it comes with a new OS. Personally I will put it up on a spare machine just to try it out, but I would not even begin to think about using it in production for at least 6 months after the final release date.
rostand
on Aug 30, 2006
smb level of cpompany. same as the others, we just rolled out laptops on XP SP2. though we have new laptops that are 'vista capable', i am kind of leery if truly capable. most likely middle half of next year with new machines.
mwerth1
on Aug 29, 2006
We will have early adopters from some organizations that have sensitive information protection issues so they can use the BitLocker feature. General deployment will happen with our next hardware refresh cycle in 2008.
Ken (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
No immediate need for it. Some of our hardware would be "weak" with Vista. Lots of testing would have to be done. We would wait until at least SP1 regardless. Plus, our company got tired of paying for SA and previous "insurance policies" with little benefit, so we dropped them. Now, it would be a huge expenditure to upgrade (or buy new I should say). I suspect that in time, new computer manufacturers will drop XP as an option and they will come with it. In other words, unless it comes on a new PC, we won't be upgrading.
Kam (not verified)
on Aug 30, 2006
I work in a government environment where there is a lot of pressure to conform to a Microsoft SOE environment (mainly through multimillioin dollar discounts to whole-of-government enterprise licensing deals), however, despite this it has been determined that for all the largest portfolios (Health, Education, Police) non-Microsoft products such as NetWare and Linux/UNIX are still unassailable in the server room, but Windows has always dominated the desktop (also database services). It is now foreseeable that this may change, at least for the former, as we have recently gotten the Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 as a trial and it is quite impressive - I assume it's features are like (or beyond I have been told by some) what Vista will be providing. Regardless of this though, we specifically only ever upgrade desktop OS when the PC lease cycle completes, and given that we only refreshed the whole desktop and laptop fleet 3 months ago, it will be at least 3-4 years before we even think about looking at replacing the current XP OS with whatever is deemed to be the best product for our corporate environment at that time.
Stick (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
"Let me know about your Vista plans by visiting the Comments section below" Paul. Dude. Considering your page is home to some of the hottest Windows vs Mac flame wars on the net, you do know what you're asking here right?
Neil (not verified)
on Sep 21, 2006
We've already started working on Vista delivery. The BDD and AIK will take some time to perfect. We want to: provide automatic delivery to early adopters and developers as soon as Vista goes live; Have comprehensive Vista management by the end of next year. If we keep up the pace of work now we might just be in the position to upgrade all 2k and xp machines with a unified, manageable, documented, automated system. Then again, I may wake up to find myself back in the real world.
David (not verified)
on Aug 31, 2006
I work at Newcastle University, UK and we're testing vista now on several PCs and plan to start rolling out vista and office 2007 as soon as they RTM on a few machines or to anyone that likes living on the bleeding edge. We will then make RIS builds available for those that want to rebuild their PCs. We also expect new laptops to be bought with Vista so we'll have to start supporting it from day one. We'll probably change one our teaching clusters Summer 2007 and migrate the rest (depending on hardware specs) in Summer 2008. Dave
ERIC (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
Here are my Vista plans: install it on one PC and play around with it. Don’t start supporting it until it ships on PCs. Don’t plan a massive upgrade until 2010 (or sooner if they come out with 2 service packs for it before then – I wasn’t a huge fan of Windows XP until SP2 anyway!) --Eric
yvesdekort
on Aug 30, 2006
We'll be "upgrading" gradually on new machines somewhere in 2008, before that (and after) we'll stay with XP, 2000 and NT4.
SNissen
on Aug 31, 2006
I work at a college, where our schedule is completely driven by the school year. We deliver all computers during the summer months, which means we order them in May. That means we start discussions of what we will buy in March and end them by mid-May. So, spring 2007, will we be ready for Vista? Not a chance. Three obvious problems: 1. Vista will not have been out long enough to have shaken out the startup bugs. 2. We will not have had time to familiarize technical staff with all the new and changed Vista features. 3. We don't know if the 3rd party software we use with Windows and Office will have been revised and "Vista-ready" by then. Most prominent: Firefox, deployment tools, and login (formerly, GINA) managers. Few of these companies are committing to when their upgrades will be available.
jkallenbach@41l...
on Aug 29, 2006
We have no immediate plans to migrate to Vista. Remember when: Windows NT4 was supposed to solve all of our security problems. It didn't Windows 2000 was supposed to solve all of our security porblems. It didn't Windows XP was supposed to solve all of our security problems. It didn't So now we are being told Vista is supposed to solve all of our security problems. I doubt it. We will more than likely move to Vista on an attrition basis. As old PCs are scrapped, we will replace them with Vista equipped PCs. But I don't see it being very cost effective upgrading just for what I call the Cool Factor. I have better things to do with my IT budget.
MARC (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2006
Probably wait till 2008 or later. Wait till most of the bugs are out. If we upgrade than we also have to invest on new hardware (which isn't in the cards anytime soon). Most users finally got the hang of XP and they are comfortable with the OS, so our help desk is not constantly flooded with calls, which has given us some breathing room to do other IT related work. With VISTA, it is going to be re-training all the users all over again and I am not in the mood being called at 2am on Sunday morning because a user can't find what they are looking for. Marcus
gpzucker
on Aug 29, 2006
Our current migration is from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. I would like to say that we do not migrate anything-Microsoft until they have got it right but it is more a matter of we do not migrate to anything-Microsoft until they stop working on it.

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