Symantec CEO Brings Up the Dreaded 'M' Word in Microsoft Critique

Symantec Chairman and CEO John Thompson is no doubt a capable guy. But it seems like he's spent more time in the past year complaining about Microsoft and its latest OS release, Windows Vista, than promoting his own products. Mr. Thompson has been a constant and high profile thorn in Microsoft's side during this time period. But this week, he raised the dreaded "m" word--monopoly--bringing his charges to a whole new level.

Appearing at the Nasdaq stock exchange in New York this week, Thompson discussed Microsoft's recent foray into the client security market with its Windows Live OneCare subscription suite. Thanks to its low price and wide set of features, many of which deal with PC maintenance rather than security, OneCare has changed the way that consumers and security providers think about such software.

"I don't want to say \[OneCare\] was monopolistic, but it looked that way to some of us," Thompson said. The charge, of course, is that Microsoft now sells both the software that is vulnerable--Windows--and the software that protects against those vulnerabilities. Previous to the release of OneCare, Symantec faced only a few major competitors as well as a host of smaller, less capable companies.

Thompson also offered a small complement for Microsoft and OneCare, noting that the software giant's new security service has "clearly recast prior expectations for consumer security technology." Indeed, Symantec has responded to the OneCare threat with its own product, Norton 360, which is surprisingly similar to OneCare, as it provides both PC security and maintenance functionality. Norton 360, however, is quite a bit more expensive than OneCare, and Thompson's monopoly charge against Microsoft no doubt includes what he sees as OneCare's predatory pricing.

Thompson was in New York to celebrate the release of Symantec's Norton Internet Security 2008 and Norton Antivirus 2008 products. In addition to his anti-Microsoft volley and these new products, Thompson revealed that Symantec doesn't plan any major acquisitions of the scale of the company's 2005 purchase of Veritas for $10 billion. That said, Thompson said he has no problem changing the company or its products in major ways to meet the needs of a changing market.

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RunTimeError
on Aug 30, 2007
"Come on, we don't need another lotsasnarkystuff here. I'm sure it was only a typo." Uh-huh. And he's a journalist. Typo's are not in the job description :)
RunTimeError
on Aug 29, 2007
"Thompson also offered a small complement for Microsoft..." Good God Paul. It's COMPLIMENT, not complement. They're two completely different words. Here, this may help: http://www.dictionary.com
Tracy (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2007
sigh
shark47
on Aug 29, 2007
BTW, what do the mafia, Negroponte, and a bug in some Media Center powertoy have to do with Symantec?
Tracy (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2007
...the calm before the storm, Waethorn has not arrived yet today.
Waethorn
on Aug 29, 2007
funny, but you can criticize something that's good the customer in one article, but you don't in another. i guess when it comes to the devil vs. Microsoft, you'll side with the devil. who needs the medication now? "What's the matter...is your "Media Center Alarm Clock PowerToy for Windows XP Media Center Edition" not working?" sorry, but i stepped away from Windows XP long ago....and i never did have Media Center Edition. silly losta, but this is soooo much funnier: Apple - "A new Mac comes with the stuff you want." i guess when that comes to iMovie '08, even you agree that's just another of Apple's marketing lies. XP
jersey72
on Aug 29, 2007
What ever happened to, oh, I don't know, actually working harder to develop software that is better than the competitor's? Maybe Syamantec should work a little harder at making software that isn't a memory hog that needs to re-write the kernel. Just a thought....
shark47
on Aug 29, 2007
"Good God Paul. It's COMPLIMENT, not complement. They're two completely different words." Come on, we don't need another lotsasnarkystuff here. I'm sure it was only a typo.
Will (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2007
While symantec may feel it has a valid argument for unfair competition, attacking Microsoft for this is a detriment to security in itself. Do the OneCare programmers have access to more intimate knowledge of the Windows 6 kernel than Symantec? Maybe. Have OneCare programmers had more exposure to Windows 6 than Symantec? Most likely. These are the advantages of writing your own OS, and it's active protection system (virus scan). My question is, how does OneCare's advantage hurt the consumer? It is priced competitively to Symantec's tools, so no gouging. Additionally, Symantec is going to have a hard time proving that OneCare is not only the driving force in the security market, but stifiling emerging competitors. Sillyness.
lotsamystuff
on Aug 29, 2007
Wae, it's time for your medication again. Maybe you should set an alarm. What's the matter...is your "Media Center Alarm Clock PowerToy for Windows XP Media Center Edition" not working? (No. I did NOT make up that title: http://tinyurl.com/33b3so )
subzerohitman721
on Aug 30, 2007
Do some of these CEO/Chairman types ever really listen to themselves? While I like Symantec for their security response during antivirus/antimalware situations; I really don't care about his complaints about One Care Live. I quit using Norton Anti-Virus in 2003 when I found out about AVG. Since I made the switch, I've never looked back. I agree with many of the opinions on here. A lot of the antivirus solutions feel like unnecessary bloatware. Norton, McAfee, PC-Cillin, Kaspersky, ZoneAlarm, CA etrust, and many "Security Solutions" turn out to be resource/time wasting garbage. Any problems I've had with AVG were easily fixed. AVG takes so little disk space or processing power that I can easily multi-task with it running. I also have to compliment Microsoft for chosing the right company and program that became Windows Defender. Defender works great and allows me to work without being hindered by bloatware. If Symantec and other "Security" companies are so concerned about the competition, I recommend they re-write all the anti virus, antispyware, and internet security solutions so they actually WORK! How much hard drive space does Norton Antivirus consume as of late? How many viruses and malware got through their defenses? Why should anyone cough up $39.99 USD for Norton Antivirus, which really doesn't work well? AVG is free for those who just want a basic antivirus solution. For those who want more, the full version costs the same as Norton, works better as an anti-virus solution, allows for multi-tasking, and uses less disk space. Symantec is a victim of its own success. I remember back in the late 80's to early 90's when Norton was king of all anti-virus. Right now, I give that to Grisoft and AVG, by giving the consumers what we want without all the crap. I don't like One Care that much, but would use it before I grab a Norton Disk. Infact, we use Norton disk in our house as mug coasters for our PC desks.
Waethorn
on Aug 29, 2007
"BTW, what do the mafia, Negroponte, and a bug in some Media Center powertoy have to do with Symantec?" ....likewise, what does a Mackie marketeer have to do with Windows IT? XP
Dipsh t Admin
on Aug 29, 2007
Hmm, are they finally realizing that they may have to compete instead of complain? Innovate with your products, and leave the complaining to SCO Admittedly, Symantec should have went to the OneCare style route years ago, but they just let Norton bloat to the point that it became. When I've replaced Symantec with some other AV, I've even had problems uninstalling the application. A total mess.
Webdev511
on Aug 29, 2007
The "M" word? Sure, OneCare is cheaper, does most of the things the masses need to stay safe, but I wouldn't call it better.
lotsamystuff
on Aug 29, 2007
"The charge, of course, is that Microsoft now sells both the software that is vulnerable--Windows--and the software that protects against those vulnerabilities." Well, if that's the charge, then it's true. They do. Of course, Symantec's own software is horrid. But honestly, who wouldn't expect that Microsoft can provide "protection" better than Syamantec? I hear the Mafia is pretty good at protecting your store from breakins if you pay them enough, too.
shark47
on Aug 29, 2007
The analogy provided by lotsa would've been accurate if Microsoft had developed the viruses too. I guess Microsoft would've offered One Care for free but that would've raised more monopoly issues.
Reflections (not verified)
on Aug 30, 2007
@Wae I don't know why you keep beating the dead horse regarding the classmate/OLPC options. Intel has been on the OLPC board for a while now and even offered open source developers to the project. http://www.intel.com/intel/worldahead/olpc.htm
tayme
on Aug 29, 2007
For Symantec to suggest this after purchasing Veritas is just a little hypocritical, don't you think? I mean, come on...using thier logic, they should not be marketing one product that protects against vulnerabilities and another that provides recovery from the potential damage that the vulnerability may cause. --tayme
Waethorn
on Aug 29, 2007
so Intel can price their Classmate PC competitively by subsidizing it from the other markets that they already occupy, and Negroponte has the nerve to criticize them for being cheaper to the customer? after all, this is supposed to be for the customer, not about making huge amounts of money. ....wait losta, what are we talking about again?! XP
Tracy (not verified)
on Aug 29, 2007
Somebody should mention the dreaded "C" word to John Thompson, Competition. I happily dumped their crappy junk bloated antivirus client years ago.
lotsamystuff
on Aug 31, 2007
"Typo's are not in the job description :)" And an apostrophe does not mean, "Look out! Here comes an 'S'!" ;-) (I tried to stop. I really did.)

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