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"For more information about this major revision to Hotmail, please see my exhaustive Windows Live Hotmail review" "Exhaustive" and exhausting. 5,383 words for a web-based e-mail review? You've got diarrhea of the word processor. Sometimes I think folks like you and Jon Gruber write articles like this just to hear your keyboards click.

....and sometimes I think folks like you write comments like that just to purposefully sound like a b1tch. XP

Once again,"Waethorn", the view from your glass house has provided the kind of sparkling analysis we've come to expect from you. I see that when you don't have a point to make, you once again resort to name-calling. Sweet. Come on, seriously...ask yourself if "Microsoft™ Windows™ Live™ Hotmail™" really warrants a 15-page review that ends with this shocking conclusion: "I'm pretty obviously a Microsoft guy...Microsoft is the most important to me....... in my particular case, it's pretty clear that Microsoft ultimately wins out....Windows Live Hotmail looks like it's ready for the next decade. Highly recommended." What. A. Shock.

Seriously, though, 5400 words? For a mail client? Wow!

"I see that when you don't have a point to make, you once again resort to name-calling. Sweet." Hmm, does the term d!psh!t admin ring a bell, lotsa? Those in glass houses, throw stones, etc... However, I did not read the treatise at all, but it is almost as big as his Vista review. Way too much time spent on what is at best an evolutionary upgrade. Although, in the tech world, this is not unusual. I remember seeing a multi-page "review" by Mossberg on the iPod Video.

@lotsa: "Come on, seriously...ask yourself if "Microsoft™ Windows™ Live™ Hotmail™" really warrants a 15-page review that ends with this shocking conclusion: "I'm pretty obviously a Microsoft guy...Microsoft is the most important to me....... in my particular case, it's pretty clear that Microsoft ultimately wins out....Windows Live Hotmail looks like it's ready for the next decade. Highly recommended." What. A. Shock." And why is it a shock? Because he didn't recommend GMail over Hotmail? While the review itself was a little too long, I didn't find anything "Shocking" about the conclusion. He likes it, so he's recommending it.

I never thought Hotmail could look any more hideous, I was wrong. Good thing they offer users the ability to switch to classic mode. I wonder how many of those 280 million are spam addresses.

Wow. The Hotmail interface looks pretty cool. Is it just me or have the display ads vanished?

"I see that when you don't have a point to make, you once again resort to name-calling." ....and obviously once again, you fail to see the point. of course, all you can do is sit there and b1tch and chew about anything and everything. i'm sure if you met a stranger on the street you would be the first to judge and criticize him back when he greets you. get a life, pal. your use of Microsoft nomenclature, not to mention trademarks, is flawed, so don't even try to make fun of it. [sic]®* Paul's review covered the integration of Windows Live Hotmail with other Windows Live services and was very informative. i would expect nothing less, and given the content to cover, it warrants being so thorough. * registered trademark of lostahisstuff, used with absolutely no permission whatsoever. XP

@lotsa: "Once again,"Waethorn", the view from your glass house has provided the kind of sparkling analysis we've come to expect from you. I see that when you don't have a point to make, you once again resort to name-calling. Sweet. Come on, seriously...ask yourself if "Microsoft™ Windows™ Live™ Hotmail™" really warrants a 15-page review that ends with this shocking conclusion: "I'm pretty obviously a Microsoft guy...Microsoft is the most important to me....... in my particular case, it's pretty clear that Microsoft ultimately wins out....Windows Live Hotmail looks like it's ready for the next decade. Highly recommended." What. A. Shock." Seriously. Let's look at this post. You started out by attacking Waethorn for pointing out that you had again made another whiny post. You then go on to complain about a 15 page review, which you don't have to read. Included in that is your normal snarky remarks towards Microsoft (the TM every word nonsense). "I see that when you don't have a point to make, you once again resort to [snarkiness]. Sweet." And then you finish it out with yet another dig at Paul for admitting the fact that he is a Microsoft fan - which you have harrassed Paul about previously. Now that he admits it you then harrass him for that. " "I see that when you don't have a point to make, you once again resort to [snarkiness]. Sweet." My question is this - if you hate the posters here and you hate Paul and you hate Microsoft, why do you come here?

"Hmm, does the term d!psh!t admin ring a bell, lotsa? Those in glass houses, throw stones, etc..." Yes. I remember. And I apologized, and expressed regret that I couldn't take it back--and I haven't repeated it. This is, however, the second time "Waethorn" has referred to me as a "B1tch". Clearly, he has no class, nor any intent to develop any. @jersey: "You started out by attacking Waethorn..." Excuse me? The (so-called) man calls me a "B1tch", and *I'm the one* "attacking"? Give me a break. "if you hate the posters here and you hate Paul and you hate Microsoft, why do you come here?" I don't hate the posters here (although I don't care much for "stevejobs" and "Waethorn), or Paul (who I enjoy reading, and whose podcasts I listen to regularly, and whose books I even own), or Microsoft (whose products I use on a near-daily basis). I come here because I enjoy being part of the discussion, and I usually learn something relevant. I'll point out that you can always skip over my posts, too. Paul's article here on hotmail was concise and informative. I simply pointed out in my own charming way that his 15-page treatise (which he promoted) seemed over the top for such an evolutionary upgrade. No big deal. Relax.

I enjoy his reviews - and the exhaustive ones usually reveal features I didn't even know existed. Unfortunately, it is hard to find the time to read most of them... :(

"I simply pointed out in my own charming way...." ....exactly! by being a b1tch! XP

Hello children...remember me, the orc fell out the tree? Anyway, Live Hotmail "extremely compelling"? Come on Paul, it's web mail and it works fine, but your enthusiasm is rather banal on this one and if compelling is your bravado word here, then Yahoo and Gmail are no less compelling and in fact, probably better. Microsoft send you a new XBOX and laptop or something? Let's move on to more important ideas....please....

@lotsa: You are right - it wasn't you that started it with Waethorn. I guess my request (which has been echoed here) would be that you ignore Waethorn. "my own charming way" I guess you and I have different definitions of "charm" ;-) <--- All forgiving wink Having said that, it does seem that whenever you mention something about Microsoft you do get snarky about it. The constant TM, SIC and other nonsense gets very old very quickly and does make reading your posts frustrating. It also doesn't garner you a lot of respect. You do often make good posts that get lost in MS digs. Any chance of toning that down a little?

Why take things personally? This is a forum where we are offered the platform to give objective opinion. It's the subjective and childish comments that several in here offer that ruin it for those that would like to discuss things objectively. I use Linux, OS X, and Windows and I use Yahoo, Google, and now live Hotmail. i want to compare the three and offer my experience after I have at an objective level. So if we are all aldults here...maybe we could start acting like adults.....by the way, nothing against Paul personally, but his review was way long winded....a truly brutal read......ugly

"Having said that, it does seem that whenever you mention something about Microsoft you do get snarky about it. The constant TM, SIC and other nonsense gets very old very quickly and does make reading your posts frustrating. It also doesn't garner you a lot of respect. You do often make good posts that get lost in MS digs. " Couldn't agree with you more. Same goes for Waethorn (replace Microsoft with Apple). 25% of their posts are informative and make valuable additions to the topic. The other 75% focuses on calling each other names. ;-) -- See? Wink.

O/T: Paul has a nice post on his internet-nexus blog: "Just in case you thought these guys had any credibility left, PC World goes ahead and publishes the 10 Things We Hate About Apple article that was at the center of the recent decision by Harry McCracken to leave his job there. But since this is the new "we can't upset advertisers" PC World, they also added a new, 10 Things We Love About Apple article as well." Funny!

" Any chance of toning that down a little?" You must have missed the recent posts where I've both applauded and defended Microsoft. As for ignoring "Waethorn", I've already pledged to do that, except in cases where he attacks me personally. In those instances, I reserve the right to respond.

@lotsa/Waethorn - "I reserve the right to respond."/"exactly! by being a b1tch!" I remember those days..."He said it first" Come on...be the bigger person...don't stoop to that level...all of those other things your Mom and Dad taught you...or at least attempted to. --tayme

@lotsa: "You must have missed the recent posts where I've both applauded and defended Microsoft." I do remember those posts. However, there's still snarkiness like this: "ask yourself if "Microsoft™ Windows™ Live™ Hotmail™"" And really - ignore Waethorn. Even the personal attacks. It's just nonsense.

"You must have missed the recent posts where I've both applauded and defended Microsoft." The generous serving of snark even in those posts made sure we did miss the praise and the applause. :-) "As for ignoring "Waethorn", I've already pledged to do that, except in cases where he attacks me personally. " Yes, you have pledged to do it. When are you going to actually do it?

"Come on...be the bigger person...don't stoop to that level" I agree. Stooping to that level makes you (not you in particular, but anyone) no better than bonch. And let's face it, not even bonch wants to be like bonch. He cries himself to sleep, since his only friend is "honey". And lotsa, that apology was hollow. I'm not going to go search for the post, but in it you apologized, then went on to to say something to the affect that you never said I was a tool, then the snarkiness set in, and you said "of MS". It's the equivalent of saying something, then saying "NOT!" at the end. Although the (TM) deal doesn't bother me that much. MS does get a little out of hand with the naming of their products at times, and have only now shown some verve. The video If MS designed the iPod comically shows this. However, it does tend to get stale after a while.

"MS does get a little out of hand with the naming of their products at times, and have only now shown some verve." True, that. I didn't even mention "Microsoft Windows Hotmail Live Plus". Now THERE'S a mouthful!

Even when it was "MSN Hotmail", no one called it "Microsoft MSN Hotmail Plus". No one calls GMail, "Google GMail" and no one used to refer to their product finder tool as "Google Froogle". Get the point? Do you call the iPod, "Apple iPod" or AppleTV, "Apple AppleTV"? No use being snarky about it. It's "Windows Live Hotmail" or "Hotmail".

"True, that. I didn't even mention "Microsoft Windows Hotmail Live Plus". Now THERE'S a mouthful!" you must have marbles in your mouth then (or something else) because there's at least 2 mistakes with that term. first off, Microsoft doesn't put their name in front of the Windows Live branding. that's true for several other products too, much like how certain accessories in Windows don't have the Windows name prefixed. second, it's called Windows Live Hotmail, not "Windows Hotmail Live". also, as per your previous rantings, they don't put a ™ or ® beside every single tradename, nor do they repeat it in the same context. "Windows Live" is a single tradename, as is "Windows", but they don't dare put a ® beside "Windows Live" because it's not a registered trademark, nor do they specify it beside the word "Windows" because it's not the proper context when talking about Windows Live services, similar to how Windows Vista is trademarked, but there is no separate trademark logo on Windows because the generalized context is not the same as being specific to Vista. they also don't use the name "Microsoft Windows Live" - it's just "Windows Live™" and most of those services don't even have additional trademark designations (surprisingly, not even Hotmail). as per what sharky said, most people drop the Windows Live name when talking about their services, except where there might be confusion with competing products such as Windows Live Messenger vs. Yahoo! Messenger. in some cases, the "Windows" part is completely dropped (even by Microsoft), such as "Live Search". you should really learn this very basic stuff before you criticize because you end up looking like an a$$ for getting it completely wrong. XP

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