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Nobody cares. People use Linux or OS X Server (like the army does) for its servers. Microsoft is dying. OS X totally decimates Windows in nearly every way, and Microsoft stock is totally dead. They're bleeding talent to Google and Apple. Their web efforts are a total failure, and stockholders punished them for wasting even more money on it. Microsoft's strategy of lamely ripping off everyone else's features and putting out their own third-rate version just plain ran out of steam. People these days actually demand design talent. Vista's ugly-as-hell interface doesn't cut it. It's not the 90s anymore where people turn the other cheek when Microsoft rips off Apple yet again. The tech press finally caught on. Recycle Bin? It's the MacOS trash can! Copy and paste? That came from MacOS, even the phrase "copy and paste!" File-Edit-View-Window-Help menu layout? Straight rip-off of MacOS! Windows is nothing more than a bloated hodge-podge of legacy code dating back to 1985, all in an attempt to clone Apple MacOS features. Hell, you guys are still running "installers" and "uninstallers" to manage your apps, dealing with a registry, installing antivirus/antispyware/firewall software, defragmenting your hard drive, etc. Geez, it's 2006! Get a modern operating system. Don't you guys get TIRED of wasting all that time and energy babying Windows into working smoothly? Why don't you use an operating system that was just designed to work correctly from the start?

Thank goodness. I was almost worrying they would call it "2007 Microsoft Windows Server". Now if only they could get the Office marketing idiots to follow suit.

bonch, we use Windows because it has a monopoly and there are no other choices. Oh wait, you say Microsoft is dying. So how close to "dead" do they have to be before they're not a monopoly any more?

When a tech company becomes irrelevant, it doesn't matter if it has a monopoly today. In five years, the company will be gone. Look at the first 30 years of automobiles. Stuff like this is why OS X is light years ahead of Windows: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=119110543&s=143441

"Nobody cares. People use Linux or OS X Server (like the army does) for its servers." I take it you're out of work, or you're a free-lancer. I've seen Windows used on a LOT of servers, and i'm not just talking HTTP/FTP. You've got MS-SQL (With a query analyzer that still runs circles around MySQLs), Active Directory, Exchange, Terminal Services, MS Speech Server, Commerce Server, BizTalk Server, and who knows what else. You've also completely left out commercial UNIXs, which is still used moderatly (Excluding some variants, like Solarix, which aren't too common [according to netcraft - ducks]). "OS X totally decimates Windows in nearly every way" I love your contradictions. "totally" and "nearly"... beautiful. Can't make up your mind, eh? "Microsoft stock is totally dead." Yeah, because when stock is down that must mean it's dead, like back when Apple's was "dead" too. ROFLcopters. "Their web efforts are a total failure," I disagree. The Windows Live search engine gives better results for Windows programming than Google :P. I like being able to type "MSDN [insert api name here]" and not have to wade through garbage finding what i'm looking for. "Vista's ugly-as-hell interface" If it's a copy of Mac OS X, I guess Mac OS X is ugly-as-hell too. Oh, you meant rip-off... Well, who cares. Most people disagree with you :). I am one of them. How would you design a GUI for an operating system? Where's your design talent? Based on the way you've designed your troll posts, i'm doubting you have any. "Windows is nothing more than a bloated hodge-podge of legacy code dating back to 1985" Wrong on two fronts. Some windows 1.0x code is older than 1985. Secondly, NT came in much later. Windows XP doesn't share the kernel of 9x, if you haven't heard, nor it's crappy collection of ANSI programs. Unicode FTW.

"defragmenting your hard drive" I never defragment, though I probably should. I have yet to see a file system so perfect it manages never to fragment files. If I recall though, one of the things Windows XP does while it's idle, is some file system clean-up. "In five years, the company will be gone." If you believe that, you really are an idiot. Ever heard of SCO Group? My guess is that you think there will be some mass rejection of everything Microsoft in the future. Feel free to call me when Bill Gates starts eating babies and molesting small animals. Until then, they're just another company (just like Apple is). Off-topic complaint to bonch: Where is full-screen/theatre mode for the QuickTime plug-in? RealPlayer can do it, Windows Media Player can do it. It's on their right-click context menus. It's MIA for QT.

"ff-topic complaint to bonch: Where is full-screen/theatre mode for the QuickTime plug-in? RealPlayer can do it, Windows Media Player can do it. It's on their right-click context menus. It's MIA for QT." You have to realize that Windows Media Player requires a paltry 233Mhz, 64MB of ram and a video card that has 64MB of ram in it to run. To get this magical "Full Screen Mode" you are referring to you'll propbably only need a 1GHz processor with, oh I dunno, 256MB of rama and adecent video card. How archaic! That's not the way of the future Microsoft. What were you thinking? NOt to mention that WMP also plays DVDs, most all music and video formats, has a fantastic playlist feature, and syncs with pretty much any, non-iPod device that's come out in the past year QuickTime, on the other hand, has HighDef video. HighDef is great! You can only run it in Windows at 852x480 IF you have a computer with a 2.0GHz processor, 512MB of ram and a 64MB video card. Neat eh? It takes more computing power to run a QT HighDef video than it does to run Windows Vista! And that's not even at full screen! On a Mac, you can run it at 1280x720 if you have a 1.8Ghz processor, 256MB of ram and a 64MB video card... To get this "nearly full screen" happening on Windows you need a 2.8GHz processor with 512MB or ram and a 64MB video card! Or if you REALLY wanna go hardcore, you can watch your QuickTIme HighDef videos at 1920x1080 which needs a dual proc or dual core, 2.0GHz, 512MB ram, 128MB video card for Mac or a 3.0GHz, 1 gig ram, 64MB video card setup for Windows!. And besides palying music and videos and annoying the crap out of unsuspecting Web surfers everywhere, what else does QuickTime do? Nothing! What brilliance! What aweseomness! What INNOVATION! Take that Microsoft!

Bonch, Bonch, Bonch, what will we do with you. Your rants about Microsoft dying are so wrong you must live in your parents basement and never get out. I also suggest telling the people that have fed you this information to clean their iSight cameras, because they must be dusty. Check out this article (http://news.com.com/Windows+bumps+Unix+as+top+server+OS/2100-1016_3-6041804.html), that makes no mention of OS X, but does mention Unix. In case Safari has a problem rendering the page, here is the gist of it: "Windows narrowly bumped Unix in 2005 to claim the top spot in server sales for the first time".

"OS X Server " lol. that's not even worthy of being called a server OS. I have yet to see one deployed anywhere. does it serve photoshop files or something?

""OS X Server " lol. that's not even worthy of being called a server OS. I have yet to see one deployed anywhere. does it serve photoshop files or something?" Oh, it's just used by the military, that's all. Do a lookup on www.army.mil sometime. "Where is full-screen/theatre mode for the QuickTime plug-in? RealPlayer can do it, Windows Media Player can do it. It's on their right-click context menus. It's MIA for QT." 100% wrong. iTunes does full-screen just fine. QT is just a codec container format. This is an article by a Microsoft manager calling Vista broken. Even employees think Vista is a joke. Microsoft has the article removed, but here's the Google cache: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:OxIU8nS0KaIJ:blogs.msdn.com/philipsu/archive/2006/06/05/617988.aspx+Broke n+Windows+Theory+philipsu&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

"If it's a copy of Mac OS X, I guess Mac OS X is ugly-as-hell too. Oh, you meant rip-off... Well, who cares. Most people disagree with you :). I am one of them. How would you design a GUI for an operating system? Where's your design talent? Based on the way you've designed your troll posts, i'm doubting you have any." Recycle Bin => Trash Can Pulldown menus => MacOS File-Edit-View-Window-Help => Standard MacOS menus Copy and paste => Terms invented at Apple for MacOS. Keyboard shortcuts => Many of them are ripped from MacOS with Cmd replaced with Ctrl. Start menu => Apple menu Windows key => Apple key Gadgets => Widgets WPF => Quartz Photo Gallery => iPhoto Movie Maker => iMovie Filesystem layout => Direct rip-off of OS X's Auto-defragmentation => OS X Password prompt for system changes => OS X Translucent title bars => OS X Public Beta from way back in 2000! Window shadows => Hi, OS X Public Beta way back in 2000. Windows is nothing more than a huge mess of legacy code dating back to 1985. Don't believe me? Even Microsoft employees call Vista broken, as evidenced by the article I posted above. Microsoft is irrelevant. Nobody will care in five years. Already, multiple analysts are predicting an explosive increase in Mac market share, as much as tripling this year. With Mac's 15% world install base, it's just a matter of time before you all give up wasting your lives babying an OS to work smoothly and decide to use something that just works from the start.

"Oh, it's just used by the military, that's all. Do a lookup on www.army.mil sometime." Is that your only proof that Macs make good servers? From what I know about the military, they spend $1800 on a toilet seat. That would make sense why they would purchase overpriced hardware.

Here's the link again--I suggest you Windows fans read it. You probably didn't know Microsoft developers consider Windows broken: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:OxIU8nS0KaIJ:blogs.msdn.com/philipsu/archive/2006/06/05/617988.aspx+Broke n+Windows+Theory+philipsu&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 NOW will you switch to a clean, modern operating system like OS X?

Why does that link "http://216.239.51.104 use an ip address. Are you hiding something bonch?

"Why does that link "http://216.239.51.104 use an ip address. Are you hiding something bonch?" No, Microsoft is. It's a Google cache version because the original article was removed from MSDN.

Choice quotes since you Windows fanbois won't read it: * Windows code is too complicated. It’s not the components themselves, it’s their interdependencies. An architectural diagram of Windows would suggest there are more than 50 dependency layers (never mind that there also exist circular dependencies). After working in Windows for five years, you understand only, say, two of them. Add to this the fact that building Windows on a dual-proc dev box takes nearly 24 hours, and you’ll be slow enough to drive Miss Daisy. * Windows process has gone thermonuclear. Imagine each little email you send asking someone else to fill out a spreadsheet, comment on a report, sign off on a decision – is a little neutron shooting about in space. Your innocent-seeming little neutron now causes your heretofore mostly-harmless neighbors to release neutrons of their own. Now imagine there are 9000 of you, all jammed into a tight little space called Redmond. It’s Windows Gone Thermonuclear, a phenomenon by which process engenders further process, eventually becoming a self-sustaining buzz of fervent destructive activity.

Another choice quote since you Windows fanbois won't read the article: ----- After months of hearing of how a certain influential team in Windows was going to cause the Vista release to slip, I, full of abstract self-righteous misgivings as a stockholder, had at last the chance to speak with two of the team’s key managers, asking them how they could be so, please-excuse-the-term, I-don’t-mean-its-value-laden-connotation, ignorant as to proper estimation of software schedules. Turns out they’re actually great project managers. They knew months in advance that the schedule would never work. So they told their VP. And he, possibly influenced by one too many instances where engineering re-routes power to the warp core, thus completing the heretofore impossible six-hour task in a mere three, summarily sent the managers back to “figure out how to make it work.” The managers re-estimated, nipped and tucked, liposuctioned, did everything short of a lobotomy – and still did not have a schedule that fit. The VP was not pleased. “You’re smart people. Find a way!” This went back and forth for weeks, whereupon the intrepid managers finally understood how to get past the dilemma. They simply stopped telling the truth. “Sure, everything fits. We cut and cut, and here we are. Vista by August or bust. You got it, boss.”

As you can see--Microsoft is dying. Why do you think their top engineers has been leaving for Google and Apple the past few years? Why do you think their stock price has been flatline since 2000?

"No, Microsoft is. It's a Google cache version because the original article was removed from MSDN." No. It was removed by the author. He's put it back online. "Microsoft is dying." You inferred that from the article? Wow! Anyway, that's your opinion. Stop posting a thousand messages, though and the past proves that no one can do anything to change it. People have tried to reason with you to no avail. It just doesn't help. You'll keep posting these irrelevant messages.

"100% wrong. iTunes does full-screen just fine. QT is just a codec container format." We're talking about QuickTime's web plug-in, not iTunes. If you were paying attention, you would have realized that before spouting off as usual. If i'm on a webpage with firefox, and I choose to use the QuickTime plug-in over WMP or RealPlayer, how the crap do I full-screen it? The other embedded players have an option on their right-click context menus. Why not QuickTime? "Oh, it's just used by the military, that's all. Do a lookup on www.army.mil sometime." Server: 4D_WebSTAR_S/5.3.3 (MacOS X). ----- Let's try some others too... www.americasupportsyou.mil - Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 www.defenselink.mil - Server: Apache-Coyote/1.1 wwwsolar.nrl.navy.mil - Server: Apache/2.0.50 (Unix) PHP/4.3.8 web.nps.navy.mil - Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) www.history.navy.mil - Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) library.nps.navy.mil - Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Unix) www.dla.mil - Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 tycho.usno.navy.mil - Server: Apache/2.0.55 HP-UX_Apache-based_Web_Server (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/4.3.4

Copy and paste => Terms invented at Apple for MacOS. Using terms invented by a company doesn't rip them off. The concept existed pre-MacOS, but just didn't have the "elegant" name it does today. Mac came up with a term, Microsoft liked it, makes sense what happened (especially as Microsoft was developing for MacOS, makes sense a few things rubbed off on the devs). WPF => Quartz There's a reason why Quartz isn't mentioned anywhere in the article about WPF on Wikipedia. Because Quartz and WPF are different things. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Quartz on Mac OS X serves a purpose similar to GDI/GDI+. WPF sits on top of the existing GDI/GDI+ technology, as well as other unrelated technologies. In short, you're wrong. Photo Gallery => iPhoto I would agree, except for one thing. Photo gallery will come free with Windows Vista. iPhoto is part of iLife, and doesn't come with the boxed copies of Mac OS X you could buy at the store. If you bought Mac OS X 10.3, when you get 10.4, you won't get a newer version of iPhoto. That requires updating iLife. Movie Maker => iMovie Again, I would agree, except for the whole "purchase iLife" thing. Filesystem layout => Direct rip-off of OS X's That's quite the BS claim you've got there, considering how old NTFS is, and how different it is from MacOS Classic's file system (NTFS existed before Mac OS X was on the drawing board, you lose). Auto-defragmentation => OS X Hah! Mac OS X didn't get auto-defragmentation for HFS+ until Panther 10.3. Oh, and NTFS is older than HFS+ :). Auto-defragmentation exists (although, I don't think it might be as elaborate as Mac OS X's latest) in XP. Looks like it happened the other way around :X (or maybe it was just a GOOD FEATURE, as i'm not screaming "rip-off" about it).

Password prompt for system changes => OS X Password prompts for changes have been around for ages. I know you're not talking about them in general, but the way you worded that is incorrect. I don't know much about Mac OS X's security features, but I would like to point out that many Linux distributions today (i'm not sure who was first here, Linux or Mac OS X, probably Linux) prompt for the root password when performing operations that require root-level access.

Paul in winsupersite: "the truth is that Photo Gallery is really just a lite version of the Library application in Microsoft's Digital Image Suite product line, which both predates iPhoto and is currently in its 11th major revision. "

Me fears bonch isn't quite in touch with reality; reminding me of a OCD patient, but when quoting pro-Mac or anti-MS spewings. His repetative nature and inability to respond to things that are directed to him without returning to his standbys is probably a warning sign. I wonder if he identifies with Steve Jobbs who was ousted from his own company for being too crazy. May I suggest people here ignore him as one would in real life.

bonch , I am a Mac user and you make ME want to leave mac's and start using Windows. Anything to have less in common with you the the better. Get a Grip, reposting the same article over and over is annoying restating the same stuff in every thread is just plain childish. You think that you have a chance of changing peoples minds and move to Macs, infact your doing the Macs a disservice, and just making people hate them more.

Shouldn't they be naming Longhorn Server- "Windows Server 20XX" just in case. After all 2010 is only 3 & 1/2 years away!! At the current rate of development 2009 might be cutting it a bit fine!!

One more... "Gadgets => Widgets" Absolutely false. Gadgets, widgets, etc. are a rehash of Active Desktop, which was introduced in 1997. And there were probably similar things before that, too.

please someone hack microsofts marketing so they change the Windows start up theme to korn. also i look forward to the day Windows sexy governor edition comes out,no sane man will touch my computer if he see's arenie flexing on my desktop. the Ram will be on stereroids. if bill gates wants to be innovative and grab the european market i suggest he get working on Windows wu tang edition. or windows Bonghorn.