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in what way is reporting news 2 hours after everyone else "exclusive" ?

Oh Sh*t.Delaying Vista means people like me will expect more and more of the OS that before. So many people could be dissapointed with the final release.(Just hope that there won't be even more delays)

From Paul's Internet-Nexus (I think this is why it's an exclusive): "Everyone's covering the news, but I'm pretty sure this is the only article that published the new RTM date."

Paul is always the first to know and everyone else rips he's stories off him. Just ask him. He'll tell you.

not at all unexpected. after all it's not like vista could be on time at this point.

As the fifth anniversary of OS X approaches this Friday, it's insanely hilarious that Microsoft lacks the engineering prowess to get one OS out the door. This should really give business and home customers a negative impression of Microsoft as nincompoops who don't know what they're doing. I predicted Vista (then Longhorn) would be delayed to early 2007 over 12 months ago, and people here on this site called me names and mocked me and took Microsoft's MSDN marketing brochures as the word of gospel. Well, here we are, eh? The worst part is when Vista finally comes out and just barely achieves the level where OS X was in April of last year, OS X 10.5 will already be coming out to leapfrog Microsoft again and provide them with new features to clone for the next version of Windows.

Yes, it is true that "the Windows XP successor [Longhorn] was originally expected to ship sometime in 2003." However that was when Longhorn was a minor release (5.x) and Blackcomb was the next "major" (6.0) release. Longhorn essentially became Blackcomb, so it's a bit skewed to assume it's 3-4 years late. That is to say, the Vista that will ship is nothing like the Longhorn that would've shipped in 2003. That Longhorn would've been pretty close to a XP SP3, whereas Blackcomb would've been what we're seeing today. That said, it would've been better if Longhorn would NOT have invaded Blackcomb's territory. They should've had something released in the meantime.

I'm sure that "insane hilarity" does quite accurately describe the feeling of Mac Addicts. Thanks for the insight bonch.

"As the fifth anniversary of OS X approaches this Friday, it's insanely hilarious that Microsoft lacks the engineering prowess to get one OS out the door" If Microsoft released Windows like Apple did OSX, we'd get a new version of Windows every time a service pack came out or when WMP was updated, honestly I'd prefer to wait for a few years inbetween releases instead of getting the exact same OS that I already have with a few extra features added like Apple does.

Something is unclear to me: does this mean that the consumer versions will be done by the mentioned RTM date, too, and that only for logistical reasons they won't be available (mostly in new machines) until January, or are we looking at two different RTM dates? I ask because I thought the product was on one code base, so the business and consumer versions would by definition RTM simultaneously.

Vista will not be in widespread release in the 2006 calendar year? Why am I not surprised? I remember agreeing with bonch's prediction a year ago, and I agree with his assessment above. Here's my prediction: This won't be the last Vista delay, so quit holding your breath.

"I'm sure that "insane hilarity" does quite accurately describe the feeling of Mac Addicts. Thanks for the insight bonch." Amusing words coming from someone defending an operating system over three years late. I think you're just frustrated, like all other users who are tied to the sinking ship that is Microsoft Windows.

"If Microsoft released Windows like Apple did OSX, we'd get a new version of Windows every time a service pack came out or when WMP was updated, honestly I'd prefer to wait for a few years inbetween releases instead of getting the exact same OS that I already have with a few extra features added like Apple does." Every new OS X isn't the "exact same OS." You're comparing major version upgrades to dinky Windows service packs. If you did some basic reading, you'd know each new version of OS X is a major update. See here for more information: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars

"Something is unclear to me: does this mean that the consumer versions will be done by the mentioned RTM date, too, and that only for logistical reasons they won't be available (mostly in new machines) until January, or are we looking at two different RTM dates? I ask because I thought the product was on one code base, so the business and consumer versions would by definition RTM simultaneously." I'll let you in on the little secret here--Microsoft is using its business customers as beta testers. They know Vista is rushed and will use these customers to find show-stopping bugs to fix before they ship to consumers in January of 2007. This also raises the possibility of delaying Vista even further if a lot of bugs are found that can't be fixed in time for January '07. I don't know how you guys can stand it. The last time your operating system saw a release was 2001. 2001! That was five years ago! Apple customers have gotten major updates to keep their OS fresh consistently for the past five years, from adding hardware compositing in 10.2 Jaguar to Spotlight and CoreData in 10.4 Tiger. You just don't know what it's like to have an operating system that's constantly kept updated and fresh. It's also much cheaper than Windows--Windows XP Professional is what, $250?

"...honestly I'd prefer to wait for a few years inbetween releases..." And wait and wait you will! Har! Har! Har!

This news saddens me. I now have to wait another year to upgrade my DELL. *sniff* What Paul ISN'T reporting is that the real reason for this delay is to give the Microsoft Marketing Team time to come up with a compelling reason to encourage people to move to Vista. So far, they have: * "Windows Vista! Now sucks 10% less than XP!" * "Windows Vista. Safe and Secure. This time we mean it!" * "Windows Vista--look at the pretty icons!" * "Windows Vista--because 'Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 Pretty Icon Edition' wouldn't fit on the box." Clearly these aren't good enough, and now that they have $500 million to promote it, Gates and Ballmer want to make sure it's done right. After all, it's all about the message, right boys? And really, what's another year between friends? The PC zealots won't complain. The five-year wait between updates has beaten the spirit out of them already.

"It's also much cheaper than Windows--Windows XP Professional is what, $250? " Are You Trying to be funny?

" You just don't know what it's like to have an operating system that's constantly kept updated and fresh. It's also much cheaper than Windows--Windows XP Professional is what, $250$" XP SP2-free IE7-free WMP10-free Defender-free Windows Desktop Search-Free (WinXP Pro-free for some people :-)) I guess XP updates are not that expensive(at least for me)

""It's also much cheaper than Windows--Windows XP Professional is what, $250?" Are You Trying to be funny?" Yeah, what's your problem? Windows XP Professional sells for $249.95 at Amazon.com. Only a fool would pay that extra nickel!

You mac fans are hilarious - a two month delay and you start snickering and talking about how mac rocks. Well, here's news for you. People are willing to wait for vista and it'll be just as successful even if it's released two months late. So, haha to you!!!

"Amusing words coming from someone defending an operating system over three years late. I think you're just frustrated, like all other users who are tied to the sinking ship that is Microsoft Windows." Sinking ship?? Come on, you can't be serious. In a surprising move, people all over the world have begun switching to mac. Only one person can explain why the Windows ship is sinking: Bonch!!! *Drumroll*

Mac fanboys like bonch are really pathetic. Trolling a Windows site and leaving stupid comments that bash Windows are a waste of everyone's time. What does he expect to accomplish?

"You mac fans are hilarious - a two month delay and you start snickering and talking about how mac rocks. Well, here's news for you. People are willing to wait for vista..." Do they have any choice? Har! Har! Har!

"Do they have any choice?" Hmmm, lemme see...they could switch to mac, couldn't they?

"In a surprising move, people all over the world have begun switching to mac." Nope, you can rest easy. No threat of that. When January 2007 rolls around, Microsoft could announce that - oops! - there are 'minor' problems with Vista and that they will need a little extra time to fix them. An extra six months? An extra twelve months? No problem! It doesn't matter how badly they screw up! Where else are their customers going to go? Har! Har! Har!

"Hmmm, lemme see...they could switch to mac, couldn't they?" Switch to a Mac? Nah... You wouldn't want to do that. You would have to give up your Windows game collection. Just wait for Vista. It will be great - honestly. At least that's what the Microsoft marketing people are telling us. And since they're spending $500 million saying it, you've got to believe what they're saying is true.

"You mac fans are hilarious - a two month delay and you start snickering and talking about how mac rocks." Wrong, the delays have been for years. And I am among one of probably three other people on here who have said over and over again that Vista wouldn't make it by holiday 06'. While we sat here and were made fun of, called zealots and fanatics. But we're right about this, which means perhaps other people on here are the ones viewing this from the eyes of a zealot.

translation: that means most everyone else on here has been the one's with their heads up their *****.

"would have to give up your Windows game collection. " That and there's a lot more software available for Windows. Whatever you guys say, the windows ship is nowhere close to sinking. With Vista, it's going ahead in full steam. I agree that it would have been nice to have Vista out by holiday '06, but it's only a two month delay - not such a big deal. "It doesn't matter how badly they screw up! Where else are their customers going to go?" The fact is, most people are happy with XP and are not going to switch on account of a 2 month delay. I agree 5 years is a very long time, but remember - there were SP2 and XP Media center edition and Windows Server 2003 in between.

"It's also much cheaper than Windows--Windows XP Professional is what, $250" Most people buy PCs that come preloaded with windows. Why don't you compare the total hardware+software cost? Wish so many PC manufacturers out there, we have a lot of choices. Not everything in the pc world is plain white!

"With Vista, it's going ahead in full steam. I agree that it would have been nice to have Vista out by holiday '06, but it's only a two month delay - not such a big deal." There you go making unwarranted assumptions again. Why do you assume that it will really only be "a two month delay"? Because Microsoft told you so and that this time it will be true? Boy, you are soooo gullible.

"There you go making unwarranted assumptions again. Why do you assume that it will really only be "a two month delay"? Because Microsoft told you so and that this time it will be true? Boy, you are soooo gullible." Okay, I have to agree with you on this one. Considering Microsoft's track record of meeting deadlines, I hope they meet this one at least.

"You mac fans are hilarious - a two month delay and you start snickering and talking about how mac rocks. Well, here's news for you. People are willing to wait for vista and it'll be just as successful even if it's released two months late. So, haha to you!!!" Hahaha...people aren't willing to wait for Vista. They've already been waiting six freakin' years. Microsoft simply lacks the talent to release an OS...and when it finally comes out, it will only be reaching the level of OS X in April of last year. Hilarious. For cripe's sake, get a Mac already.

"Okay, I have to agree with you on this one. Considering Microsoft's track record of meeting deadlines, I hope they meet this one at least." The analyst Wilcox said he's never lost betting against a Microsoft deadline. It's totally true. Part of the problem is the 50+ million line codebase that is Windows. It's a hairy mess according to the people I know. They should have started over like Apple did with OS X, and ran old Windows apps in a userland emulation environment.

"They've already been waiting six freakin' years." Like me, a lot of people are happy with XP and may not switch to Vista immediately. I'd rather wait for XP SP3 for now.

bonch says: "Microsoft is using its business customers as beta testers. They know Vista is rushed and will use these customers to find show-stopping bugs to fix before they ship to consumers in January of 2007." so MS is using its BUSINESS customers as beta testers, for a product they are selling as being complete? they're using their most important customers as beta testers, in real world environments? Vista is already in Beta testing, mate. yes, business customers are involved in beta testing, but not in this way. you might also like to qualify your (repeated) statement that OS X was, in April last year, where Vista will be when released. i use both daily (work) and while there are parts of OS X i do like, i hardly see what useful stuff it can do that an XP system with a few free and common downloads can't. i also find it quite funny that it took Apple that long to make the OS X multi-threaded - which must be the biggest thing about 10.4. ah well =) and Vista isn't 3-4 years late. will somebody please READ what has already been said (page 1: PatriotB6007). heck, perhaps the consumer version will coincide with WinFS eh? one can always hope... :D

"Like me, a lot of people are happy with XP and may not switch to Vista immediately. " A lot more people are extremely unhappy with the now six years old Windows XP. "so MS is using its BUSINESS customers as beta testers, for a product they are selling as being complete?" Absolutely. Why else do you think the consumer version is being delayed? Microsoft is using its business customers as public beta testers. "they're using their most important customers as beta testers, in real world environments?" Yes! Why do you find it so hard to believe? "you might also like to qualify your (repeated) statement that OS X was, in April last year, where Vista will be when released." I qualify it with the fact that every "new" end-user feature in Vista already exists in OS X Tiger. "i use both daily (work) and while there are parts of OS X i do like, i hardly see what useful stuff it can do that an XP system with a few free and common downloads can't." You don't have to scour the net for third-party downloads. On a Mac, all that is already integrated in the system. It all just works. "i also find it quite funny that it took Apple that long to make the OS X multi-threaded - which must be the biggest thing about 10.4. ah well =)" This doesn't even make sense. "multi-threaded?" What are you referring to? Mac OS has supported multiple threads since the 80s. "and Vista isn't 3-4 years late." OMFG. What planet are you living on? Vista was originally scheduled for 2003. 2007 is four years late. "will somebody please READ what has already been said (page 1: PatriotB6007)." Uh, he's 100% wrong. Longhorn was the next consumer Windows, and Blackcomb was the next server Windows. Longhorn was due out in 2003. Then 2004. Then 2005. Then 2006. Now 2007. How many excuses? So, now that Vista's coming out next year, how many here are finally sick of defending Microsoft Windows? Top 10 reasons a new Mac switcher loves her MacBook Pro: http://www.dwblog.net/?p=833

"Absolutely. Why else do you think the consumer version is being delayed? Microsoft is using its business customers as public beta testers." No, no, no. *all* versions of the code will be completed on the same day. It will not be in stores until after the holiday season due to production, marketing, and seasonal matters so as not to confuse consumers during the holidays. However, if you have an MSDN subscription, etc, you can download any version of Vista you want shortly after the RTM date. That same, identical, version of the binaries will ship in January. That's how MS has always done it. Volume License, MSDN, TechNet customers get the bits first, and the retail channel gets the same application a couple months later (whenever the timing is optimal). The likely outcome of this delay is that everyone that buys a Windows PC this Christmas will get a free upgrade to Vista (just a guess, so don't quote me, but MS has done it before, just like the pattern of pushing code to the volume license customers first). This entire Mac vs. Windows thread is irrational. Seriously folks, they are only operating systems, lets keep some perspective here...

"You don't have to scour the net for third-party downloads. On a Mac, all that is already integrated in the system. It all just works." Well, if Microsoft did that with windows, they'd get sued by every software maker for unfair trade practices. That is the truth, whether you want to believe it or not. XP is not a piece of sh*t OS that you guys make it out to be. It meets all my needs and I don't spend hours each day debugging applications,cleaning the registry, running anti virus programs, etc. In fact, I've used MS Word on XP to write my entire PhD dissertation.

"This entire Mac vs. Windows thread is irrational. Seriously folks, they are only operating systems, lets keep some perspective here..." I agree. XP and OS X are just two different operating systems, each with its own advantages and disadvanteges.

"...if Microsoft did that with windows, they'd get sued by every software maker for unfair trade practices." That's because Microsoft is a convicted monopolist, and by law, they have to play by different rules.

Just little point FanBoi, how much has keep up with OSX cost you then ?? $500-$600 I'd reckon. XP at $250 seems cheap now - Loser.

WOW! Damn! I'm late here!!! I used to be a great windows OS fan, but now i gotta admit, OSX leopard is gonna kick vista's ***! Guess why?? Cuz with OSX leopard they are getting "Red Box" Upgrade (a kinda of feature) which allows windows applications to be run in OSX leopard! ALL means it! ALL god damn programs compatible with windows (XP i guess!) So no more need to wait for vista. No need to sacrifice winodws game collection or application collection while switching to vista! Infact you get OSX leopard + windows with any Mac! Now, with awesome mp3 players like ipod and an upcoming tabletpc (rumor) and iphone (not sure) its gonna kick vista's *** of its back!!! Cant wait to see microsoft sales to go down like a meteorite!! WOOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!! And as said by MANY people here, all vista features are already there in OSX tiger!! Bythe way, is the rumor of iPhone true? Akshay

And bonch you are saying OSX and windows are different OS's with their advantages and disadvantages. Thats like saying A Hummer and dodge are different cars!! DUH!! OBVIOUSLY!! Thats why we compare them to see which is better!! Common!

"And bonch you are saying OSX and windows are different OS's with their advantages and disadvantages. Thats like saying A Hummer and dodge are different cars!! DUH!! OBVIOUSLY!! Thats why we compare them to see which is better!!" Since each person has different needs, they should buy the OS that suits their needs better. Why would you compare a dodge to a hummer??? Doesn't make any sense to me. Would you also compare a Carrera to a Miata? Different people have different needs and they buy cars to suit their needs. If I need a small car that gives me good fuel economy, I'd be insane to go in for a hummer.

It is once again amusing to read the comments of Bonch and others, asserting that Windows is a sinking ship, a failing OS, and that Apple are now leading the way. If that was the case, then where is the evidence? A delay in the _next_ version of an operating system is not - _NOT_ evidence of a sinking ship. If things were that bad, Apple would be pushing up their market share big time - they aren't. Bonch and others should take Apple's failure to actually penetrate into Microsoft's market share as a sign of how little users actually care about the release date of an operating system most of them probably only know the name of - people will stick with Windows for a long time to come, and a delay in the next version is not spectacular enough to cause the ship to sink - people just don't want OS X. And of course, just exactly what are all these AMAZING features of OS X, that might tempt users to switch? Desktop search? Got that - using Windows Desktop Search. Widgets? Got that, using Konfabulator (which Apple arguably copied). Face facts - if these killer features really were killer features - people would be switching in droves. In reality, these features are allready available for Windows today, and were being talked about by Microsoft LONG before Apple introduced them.

DUDE!! YOU GOTTA READ AND THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! I mentioned above that why OSX is gonna kick vista's *** off its back!!! And yes the god damn delay is a reason. READ- As mentioned above, OSX Leopard will have a kind of upgrade that will allow leopard users to run Windows applications(probably XP and later vista) on their leopard. And the large amount of frustated people waiting for the next Microsoft OS are gonna totally forget about vista and go into leopard. AND PLEAZE MLomaslcomm, increase your knowledge, you are saying most features of windows are their in macintosh, infact its viceversa! ALL FEATURES OF OSX 10.4 TIGER (ALREADY AVAILABLE) ARE THERE IN WINDOWS VISTA(1 YEAR 'LATER') And all the pretty icons and 3d **** is already their in the already 1 years old macintosh, and features in macintosh were talked about long before microsoft introduced them. Everyone probably knows that Microsft sucks at security, so the lame microsoft security head, asked apple to join with microsoft for security issues! That shows how microsoft sucks at security! And anyway I LOVE apple for their sheer simplicity and sleek design, I just wish they would release a game console and a tablet pc and and mobile phone(which is coming true - iPhone is apples next mobile phone) So that shows it and PLEASE READ THIS, before saying some bull ****! Akshay

boncho: on multithreading, read the article you yourself posted in page 2. specifically, http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/4 as for the Longhorn vs Blackcomb thing, you are not getting my point. Longhorn WAS and IS the codename for Vista - that's correct. but what they set out to achieve has changed. see for example: http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/vista.asp AkshayGenius: red box is a RUMOUR and completely unconfirmed. and i'm willing to bet with you that it will stay that way. it's much easier said than done. sure, if the system comes up maybe some simple programs might run, but nothing complicated. not to mention the copyright issues vis-a-vis MS. on the other hand, there's already Virtual PC: and that has hardly spurred any movement to OS X. this will be my last post here =) on to the next.....

By the way rukava, redbox is almost 100% confirmed as per most of the mac sites which i vistited, and if this thing works oyt, then its gonna run all mean ALL windows softwares, programs and games, and apple is specially looking forward to this by looking at the windows delays and have probably figured out that further delays HAVE TO COME, and vista wont be released till JAN '07. By the way, I had no connection with virtual PC, that sucks and I wasnt linking anything to it, I know it exists but never mention red box to be anything like it. Plus think if you are the head of macintoshm, what would you do at this situation, if me I would seriously give more importance to the red box thing. I haven't bought any apple product(exept for ipod) and take my word for it, if this red box thing works out well, the next computer i buy IS SURELY AN APPLE! APPLE ALREADY LOOKS SO GOOD, NOW I F IT HAS FUNCTIONALITY, ITS THE ULTIMATE THING!

Bonch why are you judging Microsoft so harshly. Predicting when software will be complete is an exceedingly difficult thing. And to say that Apple has completed features within a year that's taking Microsoft years to do is not taking into account the different circumstances. First the OSX core is open source and changes Apple makes are generally concentrated on the GUI and application level. Secondly OSX so far has not been designed to a static set of APIs, although Apple have pledged doing so after 10.5. Vista on the other originally intended major changes to the core to componentize it, which failed completely and led to them starting from scratch beginning of 2004 hence why we have a feature complete build (things built on top of the core largely finished) a year before its release which has never happened before. Also it takes Microsoft about a year to test hardware support and resolve issues which Apple doesn't have to worry about by simply restricting their OS their own small set of hardware. That said I like both OSX and Vista. But until I can purchase a Mac computer as cheap as a PC I will be sticking with Windows. But to say OSX will take over Windows is laughable. Apple are purposefully restricting themselves into a niche market and have resisted pressure to move their OS into the corporate market. People in general are going to continue to stick with what they know from work for home. And really most people I know have never heard of Vista and are perfectly happy with XP. If they upgrade it will be because they want to run modern applications that don't work on XP but will likely be Windows based applications as well.

You di have a point there mcm_ham BUT is predecting when a software is going to come out so tough that there is a 3YEAR difference between the prefected date and the actual release? And some time I really think of OSX leopard taking over vista, and its a good thought! And why not MOST people I know are frustated WIN XP and want and an upgrade, so why not, and apple computers, laptops, mp3 players everything shows such nice simplictity. They are so much more secure, simple to use and DAMN user-friendly! My age is 12 years and I play hell lot of high definition games not available in mac but with red box i guess I will be tempted to change to apple. And you said that apple has to stick to their small set of hardware, YES and thats because apple provides all hardware needed for mac which microsoft dosent and thats why people buy other company hardware, whereas apple provides everthing (except for a tabletpc and a gaming console) THATS THE WHOLE GOD DAMN POINT! AKSHAY

Hi Akshay, you'll find what PatriotB6007 said on the first page of comments is quite correct, so actually the end of 2005 was the first estimated release date for longhorn when it turned into a major release. It got delayed to the end of 2006 when they threw away three years of work on the core and started again. Apple do have an interesting stance by providing their own hardware and not opening it up to other companies. I can understand their logic in that its far easier to create a very reliable operating system and it greatly reduces development time with only a reduced set of hardware to test on. But if mac computers when they were market leaders lost to an inferior product that was unreliable, the PC, and to windows that was far less stable and crashed a lot I don't see how Apple can regain mass market share now that PCs are much more reliable and windows far less crash prone since win2k. And now windows is even starting to catch up with a nicer interface with vista. That said tying their software and hardware together while locking out the competition has certainly worked in their favour with iTunes and iPod. But I personally don't think I'll move to OSX although I would love to, to give it a proper go, because I can't justify the US$500 increase in a new mac compared to a new PC. If they opened up OSX to all PCs and sold it separately then I would definitely would consider purchasing it.

This is some interesting reading. I have been a Windows user since the 3.1 days and will continue to be a Windows user. I support Windows as a profession and have a number of Mac users that use Entourage 2004 for email (Microsoft software?) Face it Mac users are just jealous because even they have to use Microsoft Office on their Mac in order to do business.

You are right, but will be wrong, why dosent anybody get it, okay- get it this way: everyone knows that all the features of windows vista are already there in the present mac tiger, now with the introduction of osx leopard, ALL programs will of windows will run leopard, and obviously better security, stability and look plus you get the benifit of mac programs, so in which way will mac be inferior to windows. Just tell me one way in which osx leopard will be inferior to windows vista. So, obviously osx leopard is better than windows. Oh yes, you might find one or two things but afterall nothing is perfect! AKSHAY

quote "You di have a point there mcm_ham BUT is predecting when a software is going to come out so tough that there is a 3YEAR difference between the prefected date and the actual release? And some time I really think of OSX leopard taking over vista, and its a good thought! And why not MOST people I know are frustated WIN XP and want and an upgrade, so why not, and apple computers, laptops, mp3 players everything shows such nice simplictity. They are so much more secure, simple to use and DAMN user-friendly! My age is 12 years and I play hell lot of high definition games not available in mac but with red box i guess I will be tempted to change to apple. And you said that apple has to stick to their small set of hardware, YES and thats because apple provides all hardware needed for mac which microsoft dosent and thats why people buy other company hardware, whereas apple provides everthing (except for a tabletpc and a gaming console) THATS THE WHOLE GOD DAMN POINT!" First of all everything apple makes is not so perfect, I run a school with over 700 apple computers and it’s not as pretty as your making it sound. Also I happen to owned just about every iPod out there and I had really bad problems with all of them (luckily I bought Bestbuys replacement plans on all). About apple making everything available, that’s not necessarily a good thing. That’s how monopolies are created, and they do monopolize their industry. Unlike Microsoft whose main priority is to make software, apple is al over the place making more room for mistakes. You can buy a pc or make a lot cheaper than an apple computer, why because in the pc side we half competition (IBM, dell, Toshiba…) and from who do you have to buy an apple computer from? Apple. Now about your comment that apple is “so much more secure”, well think about how many people use apple computers VS how many pcs are out there. Apple is more secure simply because not a lot of people bother hacking or making viruses (or know how) in

I think MS should think out of the box and incorporate the feature of Virtual PC into Vista, in a way that allows people to use the virtual environment to protect the host from anything the Internet has to offer. I personally use the Internet free from all hacker frustration installing Windows XP Pro off a .vhd file enabling the undo disk feature to erase hacker, virus, malware, spyware, etc from existence. I do this by burning the .vhd file to CD and then using the undo disk feature to recover instantly from any issues regarding any attacks against my Internet experience. I only install Internet speaking apps in the virtual world, leaving the host with nothing but local apps and games that never need to see the light of the Internet, this along with the standard security protection, anti-virus, firewalls, anti-spyware, loopback configured host files that would prevent most of these types of attacks from harming my system. I still see things that attack the system, but these viruses, and trojans think they are attacking a real system and in fact it is more like a honey pot. Furthermore I prevent the local host from being able to see the internet using the firewall and disabling services that are required to make it work on the local host all while being able to surf even known dangerous sites without worry or concern because I have taken my focus away from the unsuccessful task of preventing these kinds of attacks, and put it on instant recovery instead. I still protect the system in all of the traditional ways but now I can do what ever I want on the Internet and stick it to the attackers another way. MS needs to build a Virtual PC app into Vista to allow this kind of technique to be used widespread. To me it is the closest thing to being unhackable since the CD-ROM is read only the best they can do to me is wreak my temp .vhd which I can turn off and patch then surf again. Thanks, Justin Kalis kalisjr@yahoo.com

If there is going to be a delay I think MS should incorporate the feature of Virtual PC into Vista, in a way that allows people to use the virtual environment to protect the host from anything the Internet has to offer. I personally use the Internet free from all hacker frustration installing Windows XP Pro off a .vhd file enabling the undo disk feature to erase hacker, virus, malware, spyware, etc from existence. I do this by burning the .vhd file to CD and then using the undo disk feature to recover instantly from any issues regarding any attacks against my Internet experience. I only install Internet speaking apps in the virtual world, leaving the host with nothing but local apps and games that never need to see the light of the Internet, this along with the standard security protection, anti-virus, firewalls, anti-spyware, loopback configured host files that would prevent most of these types of attacks from harming my system. I still see things that attack the system, but these viruses, and trojans think they are attacking a real system and in fact it is more like a honey pot. Furthermore I prevent the local host from being able to see the internet using the firewall and disabling services that are required to make it work on the local host all while being able to surf even known dangerous sites without worry or concern because I have taken my focus away from the unsuccessful task of preventing these kinds of attacks, and put it on instant recovery instead. I still protect the system in all of the traditional ways but now I can do what ever I want on the Internet and stick it to the attackers another way. MS needs to build a Virtual PC app into Vista to allow this kind of technique to be used widespread. To me it is the closest thing to being unhackable since the CD-ROM is read only the best they can do to me is wreak my temp .vhd which I can turn off and patch then surf again. Thanks, Justin Kalis kalisjr@yahoo.com

I love all the pc shootdown talk as the apple world markets share sits there equal with linux. Yet another good article ruined by over zealous macintosh losers who are not content with the market they already have. Sour grapes anyone? http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp note: I am aware there is movement with statistics.

Anyhow, seeing as XP is sufficient for all the things I do, I'm quite prepared to wait for Vista and DirectX 10. I'll upgrade when Vista deems itself worthy though. I wonder what the DX10 compliant Graphics cards will be like? So many things to look forward too. Do apples have quad Sli? Do they support crossfire? Heck, do they even have Sli?