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"Microsoft now plans to ship Windows Vista Beta 2 on December 7, 2006"

hehe, Paul's edited the article now... Hey Paul!

ROFL

Looking good, cant wait for some new MS betas to play with.

My MAC crashed again.

This is awesome. I think I have seen it before. Quicktime, iTunes, and even the iPod works on it. Great stuff Microsoft. Keep up the good work. Oh crud, I think I have a virus. t j a m k s M o c r p s o f t. I h i p e Alt, C r A l, d e l e t o s till wo rks.

This is all lies, lies.

Windows--for playing videogames in your admin account while anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, and registry cleaner runs in your system tray. Macs--for getting real work done.

Vista is going to flop. Nobody's going to buy a 512MB 3Ghz monster just to display shadowed windows on the screen, especially when all the new technologies are being backported to Windows XP anyway (and all the features already exist in OS X Tiger today).

www.apple.com/switch

In other news, about 3500 Creative Zens shipped with a Windows virus. ROFL. gotta love Windows

> Nobody's going to buy a 512MB 3Ghz monster Ofcourse not. Why would you want to buy a PC of that spec in 12 months when it's becoming obsolete now?

"Nobody's going to buy a 512MB 3Ghz monster ..." Yes they will, because thats pretty much the cheapest computer you can buy from Dell today (679 includes a flat panel display) Sure, people can pay 5 times that for a slower G5 and pay the 129$ Jobs OS Tax each year. 3% of the people will anyway ... And a bunch of us will be buying dual core monsters for 999$ while MacAddicts pay 3000 for a dual G5 thats slower ... Ha ha ha.

Nice trolling, Mac tards. Microsoft is writing quality code faster than you can post this drivel.

Previous post: Apple wrote a better OS 4 or 5 years ago, so I'm not sure who's the slow one here.

"Microsoft is writing quality code faster than you can post this drivel." Uh...yeah. Hopefully Vista will reach the stratospheric heights of quality, reliability, usability and overall "cool" factor that Micro$oft achieved with that pinnnacle of "operating systems": Windows Me. See, every now and again they get one right (Windows '98, Windows XP). But when they fail (Window Me, Microsoft Bob), they fail spectacularly.

Wow, it must suck for you guys to read over at the Supersite Paul's comparison between Vista and OS X and how OS X still looks and functions better.

"Microsoft is writing quality code faster than you can post this drivel." Quality code = Zotob? ROFL

Windows--for playing videogames in your admin account while anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, and registry cleaner software runs in your system tray. Macs--for getting real work done.

MY FAVORITE PART OF WINDOWS KIDZ IS HOW THEY MAKE **** UP: "Yes they will, because thats pretty much the cheapest computer you can buy from Dell today (679 includes a flat panel display)" But no DirectX 9 video card. Next. "Sure, people can pay 5 times that for a slower G5 and pay the 129$ Jobs OS Tax each year. 3% of the people will anyway ..." You mean 15% of the world. G5s have been proven to be faster than today's PCs, and the yearly updates must really tick you off since Apple is leaving Microsoft in the dust when it comes to operating system design. "And a bunch of us will be buying dual core monsters for 999$ while MacAddicts pay 3000 for a dual G5 thats slower ..." Uh, no, we'll be paying for cheap dual Intel-based Macs that will run circles around your cheap-*** plastic Dells. Have fun wasting $2000 for a machine just to show some shadowed windows! AFTER FIVE YEARS, YOU'VE GOT SHADOWS AND BLURRY TITLEBARS. CONGRATULATIONS!

Wow, it must suck for you retards to have to watch Mac users running every single one of Vista's features today, on machines less than 3Ghz and 512MB of RAM with a $500 Direct X 9 card, and with zero viruses and trojans. No wonder Macs power 15% of the world's computers. Even Intel has jumped ship from the Microsoft Titanic and fled to Steve Jobs. And now with the Playstation 3 adopting OpenGL and OpenAL, nobody's going to write Direct X games. Mac will get all the ports now. X-Box 360 is dead in the water (hello, Dreamcast 2).

"Apple wrote a better OS 4 or 5 years ago, so I'm not sure who's the slow one here." Would that be the OS X shell, running on BSD? Or the MacOS that Apple wrote?

15%? When did 5% become 15%? Must be those crappy Apple keybords... ;-)

"Apple wrote a better OS 4 or 5 years ago, so I'm not sure who's the slow one here." Apple *bought* an OS when it was painfully (and expensivly) obvious that they couldn't write one on their own.

"Even Intel has jumped ship from the Microsoft Titanic and fled to Steve Jobs." Fled to Steve Jobs? That's rich. Intel would go out of business if they decided to only support Macs, which is what you were trying to assert by saying that they fled. Yeah, and keep paying those yearly update fees. Sure, you may be getting a better OS sooner, but at what cost? What company is going to seriously want to invest the money to be upgrading their systems for a fee so often? No companies. The Mac will never succeed in the corporate world if they don't move towards longer times between upgrade cycles. That is something that corporate American complained about with Windows, and MS listened. And the Mac would have to penetrate in the corporate world if it ever plans to get beyond the 3% market share that they currently enjoy. (That 15% figure that I see so often was based on a flawed study). And I wouldn't hold my breath that suddenly Macs are going to become cheap just because they are suddenly going to use Intel chips. Remember that Apple has a monopoly over the production of their machines (hmm, Apple and monopoly, yes it does exist). They will charge what they wish, and they will still get the Mac faithful to purchase new ones. Apple would have to break the monopoly that they have, and let others build machines. And no, Stevie has not said whether he will do that or not.

Anti-spyware computer comanies technology conference management server. This is to see at least one green. It is funny to see Mac fanboys go wild about Microsoft (enough to type "Micro$oft" and lok like complete retards). Give it to Mac propaganda - when people think Intel joined Apple and not the contrary it means it works really good! Going down to your level: Windows/Wintel PCs are for running anti-spyware and antivirus software while you get great work done, unless you play games all the time; Macs are for pressing 15 buttons simultaneously every time your sytem crashes (yes, yes, "never", been there, heard that, only seen more crash than the legend says), feeling 1337 (or just plain elite) because the flock represents only 5 (15, 35, 259) percent of the population, digging the super design which constantly becomes outdated (iMacs, boys, I remeber you going nuts over the ultra-style those had, now you're all white, right), believing Jobs' legends, and loving the hard-hearing guy more than your own mother. As for the dates - well, it is a long wait to see the thing, yes, I do fear my laptop might not run it hyper-smoothly, but then again - there's time to switch (Apple boys! I said your word!) to another notebook, not a Mac for ure, my "great work" can't be done on that crapware. I would never go bashing Macs if the Mac fanboys were not such inferiority complex-driven all non-Apple bashers. Waiting for Vista - it will either be all, or nothing - WAY too many expectations.

rofl... apple users need not apply their thoughts here, they will just get owned.

Guess why Apple switched to Intel (that's to say: Apple chose Intel over others more competents AMD, IBM's Cell, etc.) KNOW THIS NAME, FOR IT'S THE NAME OF THE BEAST!! ««DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT»» The inhability to enjoy your legally purchased media as you want. The inhability of avoid getting stuck into a monopoly beyond the one you and I know... stop bashing each other. Bash Intel, the DRM technology, and the SO called Anti-Piracy features that will break privacy just 'cause a bunch of Hollywood retards are afraid of loosing grip of a mere 0.5% of losses!!! Boolean22

15%? Nope. 3%.

Nice article keep it up! Tell us as much as you find out! Sonu (SS27)

"Apple *bought* an OS when it was painfully (and expensivly) obvious that they couldn't write one on their own." Hey, I freely admit that. NeXTStep was a decade and a half before its time. Microsoft still has yet to catch up with what Steve Jobs started back in the late 80s. Apple was lucky to buy it and get Jobs back. "15%? Nope. 3%." No, 15%. 15% install base. That means 15% of the world doesn't have any viruses, trojans, worms, spyware, or broken registries. "I would never go bashing Macs if the Mac fanboys were not such inferiority complex-driven all non-Apple bashers." Mac users wouldn't be so snobby if they didn't spend 15 years listening to moronic DOS-heads mocking the MacOS when meanwhile Microsoft was ripping it off left and right to put in Windows 3.1 and Windows 95. "Yeah, and keep paying those yearly update fees." Sounds like somebody's upset Apple is outpacing Microsoft in the operating system design department. :) It's clearly obvious who has the superior engineers, programmers, and designers. It's the reason Microsoft is frantically trying to catch up to Apple in time for late 2006. Every single "new" feature in Vista is ripped from OS X Tiger, from hardware-accelerated vector graphics to integrated metadata search to non-admin user accounts (welcome to modern security, fellas). It goes on and on. Hell, it's pointless to argue with you guys. You're so uneducated, you think WinFS is a "filesystem." Lol. It's just a background indexing service running on top of NTFS. Hello, Apple Spotlight. TWO MORE YEARS OF WINDOWS XP, WOO-HOO!

This Apple vs Microsoft battle is so last year when the iPods used to be cool. Am really getting tired listening to it. I own both PCs and Macs, and I know which I get most use from and reliability from. Interestingly and ironically, the most reliable piece of software I run on my Mac is Microsoft Office 2004. Most other Mac software has a terribly bad habit of crashing every now and then. Bottom line is, Macs are overpriced pretty white plastic with a wannabe linux operating system and some quality graphics effects. But they truly are underspeced, overpriced, inferior hardware compared to what you get for your money when you buy a good PC these days. The fact that Apple have made a sudden switch to Intel chips recently proves that they have been feeding their supporters lies over the years about their hardware being superior. It's just marketing drivel. Macs have become passe... once again... it's just we've all been duped into their clever marketing into thinking that these machines are cult cool... reality is Steve Jobs is a much more ruthless and much more proprietary businessman (hence greedy capitalist) than Bill Gates will ever be.

"This Apple vs Microsoft battle is so last year when the iPods used to be cool." LOL. iPods are selling more this year than they were last year. Upset that WMA is dead in the water? "Macs are overpriced pretty white plastic with a wannabe linux operating system" OS X is built on Mach with a BSD subsystem. You know, the OS that powers most of the 'net. It must suck to hear that MIcrosoft's sales are down and that every one of Vista's "new" features already exist in OS X Tiger. ROFLMAO! Windows--for playing videogames in your admin account while anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, and registry cleaner software runs in your system tray. Macs--for getting real work done.

"Other language versions will ship in December 2006 and January 2007." Sure it's not Dec 2005, Jan 2006?

it should tell you something when even Intel jumped ship and went for Apple. see you in line for Intel-based Macs next year, kidz

""Other language versions will ship in December 2006 and January 2007." Sure it's not Dec 2005, Jan 2006?" No, given Microsoft's predatory behavior of announcing vaporware years ahead of time just to crush competitors, I'm sure we can expect bloated, bug-ridden, feature-crippled products two years from now, and all the M$ sheep will cheer them on as they waste $2500 on new PCs just to run Vista's window shadows (welcome to OS X Beta circa 2000)...all as Microsoft planned. They're fleecing you for money and you guys love it. Whatever. OS X gets faster on older hardware, unlike Windows which gets twice as slow with each "upgrade."

HAHAHA, YOU GUYS ARE STILL USING A BIOS MADE IN 1982. YOUR LAPTOPS DON'T EVEN DO SLEEP MODE CORRECTLY. MACS ON THE OTHER HAND DO IT EVERY DAY. MAC USERS NEVER SHUT DOWN THEIR MACS. AND WHEN THEY DO, IT ONLY TAKES FOUR SECONDS TO GET TO THE DESKTOP.

This one pathetic no-life Mac troll reduces every single set of comments to a stupid identikit flame war. Why hasn't the horrible little bigot been banned yet? I feel sorry for the poor freak, truly I do, but his tearful rants bury any genuine Mac or Windows related posts.

APPLE TROLLS GO AWAY!

The Windows kernel is just a crappy clone of VMS anyway.

From Wikipedia: "In computing, WinFS is the code name of a Windows storage subsystem, being developed by Microsoft for use on its Windows operating system. WinFS is not a file system, but a file storage subsystem that will run ontop of the NTFS file system, indexing the content of the drive. The codename WinFS stands for Windows Future Storage but will likely change before the technology is released."

"This one pathetic no-life Mac troll reduces every single set of comments to a stupid identikit flame war. Why hasn't the horrible little bigot been banned yet? I feel sorry for the poor freak, truly I do, but his tearful rants bury any genuine Mac or Windows related posts." Wow, it must suck to know you have to use that aging, piece-of-crap klunker called Windows XP for ANOTHER TWO YEARS while Apple sales continues to skyrocket as people switch in droves to an operating system that actually doesn't suck and get in your way. Have fun playing videogames in your admin account while anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, and registry cleaner software runs in your system tray. Running in an admin account in 2005! Amazing. What a huge embarrassment in the history of Microsoft computing.

"Wow, it must suck to know you have to use that aging, piece-of-crap klunker called Windows XP for ANOTHER TWO YEARS while Apple sales continues to skyrocket as people switch in droves to an operating system that actually doesn't suck and get in your way." Why post this? What do you expect to happen? Do you think you're making a point? And yes I use XP happily and problem free at work. I also use a Mac happily and problem free at home. Both systems have their good and bad points. However neither of them have good points remotely strong enough to make me identify my very existance with their code base. Your ignorant, elitist narrow minded trolling is the worst possible advertisement for an excellent operating system. Please please go away.

"Hell, it's pointless to argue with you guys. You're so uneducated, you think WinFS is a "filesystem." Lol. It's just a background indexing service running on top of NTFS. Hello, Apple Spotlight." And it is pointless to argue with you, too. The people telling that Win FS couldn't be more wrong, but you are far of, too. An "indexing service" is what even Win 2000 had back then. It wasn't used, cause Microsoft only intended it for servers, and people would have turned it off anyway. WinFS is a SQL Engine on top of the filesystem. If that equals to an indexing service for you, well, shame on you.

***Microsoft currently plans to release Windows Vista to manufacturing on August 9, 2006, and make the product broadly available by November 15, 2006.*** ---------------- November 15, 2006 eh? So in other words, OS X 10.5 Leopard will be out before Vista then if Apple makes their summer 2006 release date. Windows XP is in no way, shape, or form capable of standing up to the security, graphical power, technology, software, and features of Tiger. Vista is playing catch-up on a grand scale of things in my oppinion, 90% of the market or not. If Leopard comes off the shelves with even better features than Tiger (which is highly likely), then what good is Vista? What will Microsoft do by 10.6 a year and a half after Leopard and Vista? If Leopard ups the ante on Vista, what would the next versions of OS X be capable of? I don't think that Microsoft can withstand another four to five years of OS X releases without at-least having major updates to the Windows operating system to compete this time. It sounds impossible, but it's not. And believe it when we see it we may, but monopolies fall. Especially if they are lagging behind and people get sick of junk that doesn't work right. The general public is already so fet-up with viruses, spyware, adware and spam that it wouldn't take much to open up some people's minds. All it takes is a secondary option for people to go to, which offers something that looks cool and can be enjoyable. If Mactel prices make Apple computers more reasonable (as expected by analysts and experts), I won't eliminate the possibility of some serious competition in the back of my mind for sure. Interesting release date Paul, now let's see it happen.

OK lets not forget Object Desktop... It has been around for years and it can do shadows. If Apple had as much exposer that M$ does than i bet it would have and even worse O/S. Windows XP is very reliable, sure you can get viruses but lucky for us (that are reading this) are smart enough not to get it. (I hope(. I never have problems with my machine. Sure every once in a while I get in trouble, but thats because I was tweaing... Not something mac users can do. They can just make things 'prettier' and no balls to back it up. They can't even patent the i-pod. Two patent loses and one of them is M$. The main focus here is that everything got delayed because of all the attacking M$ O/Ses have been tacking being that the world now is mostly broadband and 4 billion people have internet access. If we all switched to Apple's today it would be worse than running MS-DOS as far as atacjs are concerned. I myself love that fact that things just work on my XP machine. That I can bet I can run my software on my friends computer. -VINTECH p.s. I am buying a mac mini.. they are just too cool.

jesus fukin christ someone kill all the mac zealots they are comin out of the woodwork

lol "> Nobody's going to buy a 512MB 3Ghz monster" <---- i just bought a faster fullt 64bit P.C. mainly for the releace of Vista...

I should probably point out to you that the main reason that there are more viruses and security issues in windows is that it actually gets used, meaning that there is actually a point to hacking it. The only really secure system is one that doesnt allow writing to a disk, like a Knoppix live-cd (in a system without an HD). If people actually used macs they would get hacked a lot more, especially if there were more businesses who used it. also dont forget that most hackers out there have a lot more respect for Macs and Linux than they do for Windows, i know i do

Hm .. big and bigger resources ?!@#

Seriously I was just beggining to like Macs But seeing as i might turn into one of you morons there no pont to it Face it MS will always have more people behind them Just because appe stole stuff like WindowFX and other stardock things I mean thats just bloat, eye candy to cover up the mess that is mac os They name each os after cats, how sad. Seriously why troll around wen you know us Windows/Linux users areno that low to do that Oh yeah we will retaliate but thats human nature You are the sad f**kers that are bored of Mac OS soyou go and troll people talking about and os that you know will be better than "leapard" You idiots have put me off macs now BTW the iPod SUCKS

Anyone knows why MS don't met me downgrade my MDAC?'s so important to keep it upgraded to the last version then why don't they make it backward compatible? It's frustrating to be forced to rewrite a whole application just to be able to run it on latest MS Service pack or update . It's more that frustrating, it's stupid

Why do people say "have fun with Windows XP for another 2 years" when Vista is RTM in less than 1 year and avaliable in about 15months. Last time i checked 2 years was 24months.

"November 15, 2006 eh? So in other words, OS X 10.5 Leopard will be out before Vista then if Apple makes their summer 2006 release date." The last time I checked, Apple had targeted end of 2006/beginning of 2007 for the release of OS X.5. Where did you get your summer date from? A dream you had last night? ;) When I was a Mac user 3 years ago and was spending my time in Mac forums, there also were some windows jerks that came to the Mac sites and spread their nonsense. But it never was as bad as it is here. The thought had come to my mind that I should switch back to Mac so I don't have to read that nonsense. But then again, the fear of becoming one of them is too great... Anyway, some comments from people supporting the Windows side scare me, too... I guess I should search for news on Windows and related stuff somewhere else. Too many zealots from both sides around here.

Quite frankly, when an OS crashes due to a program that was bundled with it, I find that a terrible excuse for an OS. Then, when the updater locks up halfway through the install process, forcing you to reboot, realize that it can't run with half the OS updated, and then end up reinstalling 20min after you just got done installing, THAT is a damn *******OS. When 90% of the world is right-handed and reads from right to left, yet icons are organized from left to right, that's poor planning. When a menu jumps in front of the application you're attempting to use, that's terrible design. And, when the default internet browser is so incoherently designed that it sticks around about as long as Michael Jackson at a strip club, that JUST PLAIN SUCKS. So mac users, you wonder why macs have no problems with viruses? Simple. Virus writers don't bother with your OS: your virus comes preinstalled.

"Anyone knows why MS don't met me downgrade my MDAC?'s so important to keep it upgraded to the last version then why don't they make it backward compatible? It's frustrating to be forced to rewrite a whole application just to be able to run it on latest MS Service pack or update . It's more that frustrating, it's stupid" In regards to "Windows Vista, Longhorn Server, WinFS, SQL Server 2005" what is your point?

I can't wait to get one of those beautifully designed Intel-Macs! Than I throw out osx and install vista and have the best of both worlds! Hopefully it won't be to difficult to install windows on those things. Having to manipulate the hardware would not be fun.

A lot of people quoting marketshare forget that the majority of prepress pagination for newspapers and amagazines, as well as many design firms who produce commercials and audio campaigns use Macs. Why? Because they need absolute reliability without the vulnerabilities of getting viruses and spyware. Many major bands use Macs for production, including Nine Inc Nails and Depeche Mode. Many motion pictures are rendered and editied on Macs, including Van Helsing. Even the Star Wars Trilogy DVDs were digitized from the master tapes using, you guessed it, Macs. I'll agree that Windows is a great environment for gaming and using Office (sadly under admin accounts, with anti-virus, anti-spyware, registry cleaners, etc.), but Macs are where many in the 24/7 mission-critical industry get their work done. Oh yeah, the U.S. Army's web site is hosted on Xserves. This after they got tired of being attacked/hacked when they were using Windows Server and IIS.

"Windows XP for ANOTHER TWO YEARS while Apple sales continues to skyrocket as people switch in droves to an operating system" First, I don't know where you are getting two years from. I see a little bit more than a year for the release of Vista. Quite frankly, any corporate manager who has to install an operating system on systems for perhaps thousands of clients, does NOT want an OS update every year. A longer period of use is required. Yearly point upgrades that cost money just don't cut it. Apple will have to fix this problem if they want to get beyond their 3% market share. And Apple sales are doing well, but so is the rest of the PC industry. A 10% increase in Dell's sales easily trumps a much larger percentage increase in Mac sales. Simple math folks. There is no sea change to switching to Macs, mainly for the reason that I just mentioned: no traction in the corporate world. Sure, they may be able to convince a lot of HOME users to switch, especially if they love their iPods, but that still is not a huge movement either. If people have invested in a platform, you better make sure that there are huge advantages for them to switch. I don't think that the average user sees those advantages (mainly because the advantages are not truly there).

"A lot of people quoting marketshare forget that the majority of prepress pagination for newspapers and amagazines, as well as many design firms who produce commercials and audio campaigns use Macs." Thats fine. But I bet you that those same companies that produce movies or whatever, also have a ton of PC's in their company doing a lot of other important work as well. Handling the accounting system and other clerical style jobs. Remote access, e-mail, databases are all important to these companies too.

"Yeah, and keep paying those yearly update fees. Sure, you may be getting a better OS sooner, but at what cost? What company is going to seriously want to invest the money to be upgrading their systems for a fee so often? No companies." You couldn't be more blatently wrong here. For starters a lot of press, graphic design, and *yes* engineering firms are using or switching to the OS X platform. Secondly is the fact that there may be, what you so elegantly refer to as, a yearly "Jobs Tax" - but look at the advatages. Every version of OS X has run better and faster on the same hardware. Windows-land is the exact opposite. You pay royalties to keep up with hardware, virus / spyware scanners, and dealing with an endless array of patches that slowly eat that *fast* processor of yours up patch after patch. So - in reality, yes, you need the clock cycles to run a safe system. I used to absoulutely despise the Mac crowd - for no apparent reason. Until, I actually used one for a week... Most PC biggots are hypocrites because they don't even know, or are for some unknown reason, scared of Apple.

"Quite frankly, any corporate manager who has to install an operating system on systems for perhaps thousands of clients, does NOT want an OS update every year." HAH! But, you will accept rolling out patches on a weekly basis and accepting huge service packs that may impact your entire architecture? Get real... It's no more or less work.

The ones that are scared are the Apple people. That's why they keep such a close and jealous eye on Windows. One need look no further than these columsn at winsupersite and windowsitpro for clear evidence. That Mac crowd is driven nuts over Windows.

Technology Re-Pack Got to love MS, from the time they first copied Apple's desktop enviroment, down to trying to keep up with a Mac's evolution. I is just funny, MS keeps up with Mac to keep market share, Apple updated to gain market share. At the end of the day they are oth good systems. Just one is prone to viruses and constalty needing hardware to keep up with it's patches and security software. The other you pay a simple Job's tax and your done for they year, no extra memeory for that norton antivirus subscription, no need for that intensive firewall, no need to shell out another days pay for a registry cleaner. No need to upgrade your cpu and graphics card to get cute shading. I don't bash any one system, I like to let people choose. I have owned both systems and the total cost of ownership on a standard windows ased pc is much greater than a mac. Personally I will keep my Redhat Distro fired up on my work machine with elvoution, firefox, and openoffice. My play machine windows 2000 professional (seems to e te most professional os ms has produced in a while.) Runs sygate firewall, norton antivires, popup blockers, registry cleaners, and most importantly my video games and music. My mp3's and Divx movies get stored on a redhat server that hasn't failed yet(always remains a posiility). out of all machines My windows 2000 professional has been my biggest expense, from memory to hard drives, to graphics cards, to mother board, to cpu, to a reinstall (time is money), norton antivius, sygate firewall, and not to mention jesus christ my electric bill when this thing is fired up, I had to isolate the darn thin on it's own ups because it kept tripping the breakers, (yes it's a power hungry intel, soon switching to amd, they seem to hae better technology) In the end opensource is better that anything these guys have to offer. -regards TRancey

I like Mac hardware and the OS is ok but I would never buy a Mac because there isn't enough variety of hardware/software available for that platform and never will. I wouldn't like walking through a whole store of Windows products with only a small shelf in the back corner of products for my Mac.

There are no OSX virii because no-one who owns it is capable of writing one. They are too busy shopping for accessories for their walkman (oops, meant iPod) What's scary is that in the future, with their one-eyed attitude combined with their years of walkman wearing, Mac users will not only have strong opinions based on nothing but emotion, but will be stone deaf as well. Drink! Feck! OSX! ??

"There are no OSX virii because no-one who owns it is capable of writing one." No, it's because we're not running in admin accounts in the year 2005 like you still are and will be for another year (snicker). Windows--for playing videogames in your admin account while anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, and registry cleaner software runs in the system tray. Macs--for getting real work done.

Windows--for playing videogames in your admin account while anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, and registry cleaner software runs in your system tray. Macs--for getting real work done.

I agree - not enough applications available for the mac line. Better off sticking with Windows or Linux.

Linux?!?!?! Noooo! Never! Support Apple! Thay invented computer mowses (no they didn't), icons (no they didn't), online music stores (no they didn't), hardware acceleration (no they didn't), widgets (no they didn't), slick cases (no they didn't), handheld computers (no they didn't), video game systems (no they didn't), and windows with stuff on them (no they didn't)!1 To give Apple some credit, they did establish Firewire, and their borrowed web-browser (Safari) looks nice. "I agree - not enough applications available for the mac line. Better off sticking with Windows or Linux." That's!!11 NOT TRUE (I AM USING CAPS LOCK CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT I AM ANGRY)! So what if Apple doesn't have a wide variety of software for H.R. people, Accountants/Financers/Bankers, Plumbers (that's right, they actually use software), Tech Support, Legal/Law, Manufacturing and Medical professionals? Who really CARES what those people want?

Aren't thier systems infested with virii and spyware so they can't get any work done? If that were the case, i'm shocked how people are still able to get so much work done... I've had to remove spyware and junk from several people's computers, and i've noticed something. It hasn't returned! The spyware/trojan problem is actually improving, as users are being educated ^_^.

""Microsoft is writing quality code faster than you can post this drivel." Quality code = Zotob?" Microsoft didn't write Zotob. And finally, for the last time (who am I kidding?), software does not run in the system tray. Even 13 year olds know this. You look like a moron every time you say it :P.

"You mean 15% of the world. G5s have been proven to be faster than today's PCs" Oh gooood... Benchmarks... We all know how reliable those are... Faster than what? PCs with Intels or AMDs? What kinda comparison was done? High-end well configured Mac versus an economy PC? I would like to see your proof, sir or ma'am.

Apple can't write their own OS, they can't write their own Office suite, they can't write patches (there are still people in the MAC lab trying to figure out why their 64 bit apps don't work) Apple can't create original ideas. For instance, the IPOD is stolen technology engineered at Creative, if you own one you should feel ashamed and go buy two Creative devices to make up for it. OSX's pretty design was stolen from Stardock, if you own OSX you owe them money too! They can't come up with their own ideas either. They stole Widgets from Konfabulator (rabit macfanatics eat it up and pass it off as steve job's work) they stole desktop search from Microsoft (at the same time they had a printing campain at their show saying "Start up your photocopiers Redmond" to take the attention away from the fact they were stealing everyone elses ideas and could not infact produce a single original idea that didn't deserve to be in the trashcan. MAC SUCK, but not as bad as the people who use them.

"No, 15%. 15% install base. That means 15% of the world doesn't have any viruses, trojans, worms, spyware, or broken registries." When you keep repeating 15%, do all those machines run Mac OS X (The OS Apple bought), or are they counting Mac OS Classic machines (which did have viruses) too? And also, just because you don't have a registry doesn't mean you don't have buggy programs that screw up their own configuration files. Your programs have to store that info somewhere. You can trash the registry all you want, but it's nice to have around. All your settings "appear" to be in one place when you open regedit. What exactly do you have against the registry? Do you just not like the idea of programs using databases to store their settings in? What's wrong with databases? I remember the problems 9x and ME had with the registry, but I haven't had one issue with my XP.

"They stole Widgets from Konfabulator " Stardock also has a widget system for Microsoft Windows (they have for some time) . I don't know if they stole the idea or not though. I can't jump inside thier heads, so I won't crucify them about it. In fact, for the way dashboard works, they actually deserve a bit of credit.

After reading some of these wacked out postings, I came to a conclusion, and I really believe it is true: All these postings are from one single person. I really can imagine how he sits in front of his monitor, shouting at himself... Mac! Win! Mac! Win! MacWin!

I think if Paul ever chooses to show some kind of hostname or IP mask, your theory will be debunked :P.

> Windows--for playing videogames in your admin > account while anti-virus, anti-spyware, firewall, > and registry cleaner runs in your system tray. > > Macs--for getting real work done. Jesus people, what did you smoke today?!! I agree with the part about playing videogames (hehe), but when you need to get your *real* work done - you use what? You guessed it - Unix/Linux. Besides, I really hate companies that make you buy uber expensive proprietory hardware (Let's see here... Sun is one of them; any other suggestions?)

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No viruses, hackers and privacy threats @ MAC? lol... so why Symantec sells Norton Internet Security for Macintosh? Let me gess... they are cheating Mac users... because their is no virus, and hackers don't get in... lol. Also Windows is very vulnarable... your lucky is that Mac is perfect machine and the recently MAC security updates are just for fun... And yes, I'm Windows XP... and it works fine for me... and guess what... their are millions of software for Windows...

This guy need some lessons in proper english, I belive there are millions of software tiltles under UNIX/LINUX maybe even more than mac and windows combined, It jsut takes a little more than your local idiot with a new pc to figure things out. It's funny, but I do recall most linux distros coming with a full set of functional and reliable software ready to function. No extra thins to buy. Have to click ok to 20 EULA's for. -trancey

>... so why Symantec sells Norton Internet Security for Macintosh? Let me gess... they are cheating Mac users... because their is no virus, and hackers don't get in... lol. Rotflmao... You are a dumb A S S! Sorry, but you don't work for the goverment. To make it simple: If you work anywhere in the goverment you will find you need to overspend your budget if you want a larger budget or same budget next year. If you save money, your budget is reduced by the amount you save. The GAO has all the numbers. But I am sure you know where this is going. Sad as it seems to me, the goverment expect me to hire and spend X amount each year. The Microsoft OS cost for support and upgrades keeps our budget growing. If your in goverment and agree/disagree please respond.

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If Apples were so superior, why cant you get a majority of Games and software. cuz no one cares about macs. the reason why there are no viruses for macs is cuz coding a virus poses no challenge for the writers on OSX. and what the heck good is a one button mouse anyways. id rather have my dual chip runnin dual core. w dual videocards, and 4 gig of ram. then a crappy plexiglass box in which i cant upgrade the Mobo or processor. Dang have you ever seen a Mac overclocked. I didn't think so cuz the plastic would melt

"This guy need some lessons in proper english, I belive there are millions of software tiltles under UNIX/LINUX maybe even more than mac and windows combined, It jsut takes a little more than your local idiot with a new pc to figure things out. It's funny, but I do recall most linux distros coming with a full set of functional and reliable software ready to function. No extra thins to buy. Have to click ok to 20 EULA's for. -trancey" Are the products GUI-based for *nix? That seems to matter a lot these days. Apparently the masses remember the MS-DOS days and the idea of using console apps scares them. I can see it now... "when are we gonna upgrade to Windows?". Seems like a lot of people associate console interfaces with obsoleteness (that's not true, especially for servers which probably shouldn't waste resources on GUIs anyways, I know...). And as for the EULA comment, you typically only see those when you install stuff. What i've noticed, at least on Windows, is that GPL and LGPL software seems to display that nice little Accept/Decline license thing on install.

"distros coming with a full set of functional and reliable software ready to function." Yeah, except some of the "killer-app" products are perceieved as inferior. e.g. OpenOffice and The GIMP to name a few. Where is OpenJava (Why are people happy settling with Sun)? Why aren't you guys pushing Gtk+ more in Windows land where a port exists (note: it's LGPL people, you can use it with commercial stuff, and yes, you can support internationalized text via Pango. Heck, there's even a VB-like interface creator called Glade)? Sorry I went off-topic, but seriously. I wouldn't wish it on anyone to try and write cross-platform business apps in something like RealBASIC.

http://windows.czweb.org/windows_vista.php?title=windows_vista

Gtk+ Libraries ---- Glade Interface Builder ---- XML Parser ---- SDL Graphics Engine (Akin to DirectX) ---- Free Software Directory ---- MySQL++ ---- GNOME structured file library ---- Want Threading? #include Want Sockets? #include Default Data Types? #include

No viruses, hackers and privacy threats @ MAC? lol... so why Symantec sells Norton Internet Security for Macintosh? === They don't. The sales figures for that product must be in the high hundreds. Nice English BTW.

the reason why there are no viruses for macs is cuz coding a virus poses no challenge for the writers on OSX. ============= (Message deleted because it's wrong to make fun of retards)

(Message deleted because it's wrong to make fun of retards) The term is "developmentally disabled" you ******* dick.

I got a dell.. win xp home.... Ultra sharp 20 IN Widescreen DIM 9100 3.0 HT P4 512 Ram.. Guess the price .... dim = 1500 screen =700 so like 2200 right .. WRONG .. $650 Go dell.. screw the apples

I just read 7 pages of posts and wonder why no one seems to remember the $100mill helping hand MS gave Apple a few years ago? Probably 50 copies of Windows sold for every copy of Mac and in one year enough copies of Windows to outnumber the entire user base of Apple – so the popularity of this ubiquitous software continues to grow! I’ve used both Apple & MS systems and the bottom line is that they are different NOT better or worse than each other. Both have strengths & weaknesses but MS has and is changing the world far more significantly because more people have access to PC’s. I’ve also met and spoke to Apple users and they seem to believe that Widows will never be as good as the Unix based OS they now have but it is obvious their POV is irrational and not founded in reality. I mean which company is most successful overall?

Macs--for crapping on.

So, does anyone have anything constructive to say or are all post going to continue being the same boring battle between the MAC fanatics & the MS Zealots? I happen to like useing Microsofts operating systems where as I didn't like useing Macs, but that is purely a matter of opinion. I don't believe that one is better than the other, it's just that one appears to have sold alot better & generally all that end users are familiar with.

Let me know when Windows will be able to do ANYTHING on this page: http://www.macworld.com/2005/09/features/tigertips1/index.php

You'll have to forgive the Mac fanatics that post on this site as 3GHz and 512MB still seems like a lot for them considering they still have to fork out $3000 for a comparable system from Apple.

How many versions of MS are there? If I walk into a store, which one do I buy?

get focused geeks!!!

"How many versions of MS are there? If I walk into a store, which one do I buy?" Well, how do you tell how many versions of a Company there are? Did you mean WINDOWS? And right now, in most consumer-friendly stores, there are two editions. Home and Pro. The Pro/Home boxes have a comparison on them I believe between the editions.

"Let me know when Windows will be able to do ANYTHING on this page: http://www.macworld.com/2005/09/features/tigertips1/index.php " Someone else already said this to you, but Windows already beat Apple to the punch on some of those, like disabling sounds, for instance.

Err...7 pages of ****. But the whole argument is funny, keep it up!

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Windows sucks, let me count the ways. 1) DLLs DLLs DLLs... 2) Copy-Cat Features... 3) Horrible Security... 4) Painfully Slow... 5) THE REGISTRY! 6) Explorer is buggy! 7) Luna is ugly!

1) DLLs DLLs DLLs What about on *nix? LIB after LIB after LIB, and it's not like you guys don't have DLLs yourself in the form of .so files. DLL hell exists, but LIBs aren't always a walk in the park. 2) Copy-Cat Features. Be more specific. Hopefully your rant here will be something that hasn't been discussed to death. 3) Horrible Security. Windows has it's problems, yes. A lot of other OSes do. I know, I know, Windows has a lot more advisories on Secunia than Mac OS X does. Although a single-client system can be decently secured by using non-ms software, and having a hardware firewall, I wouldn't want to be a network admin that had to deal with it. All that patching... 4) Painfully Slow... Get more RAM. 5) THE REGISTRY! Already beaten this argument to death. Not going to even bother responding. You know what, it's way too damn hot in here (evil P4s), so i'm going somewhere else, cya :P.

Where do I sign up to recieve the Windows Vista or FX Beta?

The only people who come off looking bad on this site are the mac zealots. You just make yourself look like complete insolent fools.

Mac = innovative, but historically late Windows = comes from MS (THE best company) Linux = WinCopyCat Mac Windows

Windows Home, Windows Pro, why two operating systems? Why not just one. Are Home users less intelligent than Pro users?

Im sure Apple write fastest atm. :)

APPLES CRAP, HA SHUT YOU UP!!!!

The apple users are really painful. Why the hell are they doing on Windows related site and especially to tell a lot of stupid things ? I can't believe that there are so much brainless mac users or are there a few one without a life and desperaly needing to trash MS to have something to do ?

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Oooooh....wow.....the MAC sales are going to soar, huh? You mean all the way up to 4%?

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NO you shut up

OS X = Version 10.x.x Windows Vista = Version 6.x RH Linux - Version 9.x Do The Math. It Took MAC 10 Generations To Get To Where It Is. Windows Took Only 6 Generations. Be l33t Like Me And Use All Three.

Can you post pictures of what the theme of those new Windows would look like please? There must be a preview somewhere, but I can't find it. Well, good job, very very good job Microsoft! Can't wait until they come out!

Looking very good. As mentioned by one the loosers earlier WinFS isn't a storage system - more a indexing system. However it's based on SQL Server 2005 and will also contain a client edition (although intergrated) of Win2k3 DFS for virtual folders. Avalon will appeal to home / end users a hell of a lot; but the interesting parts haven't even been mentioned in this thread: Overhall of the kernal to a more unix based account permssions Inbuilt Anti-Spyware IE7 (includes tabs and native RSS feeds etc.) Unbelievable support for developers with .net and XML support native in the OS Yes Mac users, it's got a number of similar features from Tiger - why shouldn't it? Mac Tiger is a good OS. But Mac isn't mainstream - and there is a good number of reasons for that which this isn't the forum for. Surely we can all agree that Mac, Linux and Windows all have varoius strengths and weeknesses; and moreover that the developers spend more time copying good features from rival OS's than thinking up their own.

Mac geeks are funny... they're also wrong, osx looks pretty, but sadly, it's form over function... I should know, I use it for a living, on a dual g5, which does enjoy overheating... hence the huge case and multiple fans... security is an issue with osx, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, it has plenty of problems. I look forward to seeing what Vista can do, my XP machine is two years old and runs faster, cooler and smoother than a brand new g5 with no virus problems (yes it has a broadband connection, but I don't click on stupid links or download dodgy attachments...) and it p*sses all over the mac... with time to spare... Apple has had its day with computing, they really ought to stick to ipod... but then, sony have a better product there too. hmmm.

First: Nobody wants to write a virus for an Apple cause there would be no challenge. Apples can crash all on their own already. Besides, who would want to write a virus for crap that only 15% of the world uses anyway?!?!? Second: Intel SUCKS! Their ****! Apple can have them! I would pay to see crapy procs in an Apple! AMD is the only way to go....

(Almost forgot) Third: Why do Mac users use Virtual Windows? Is it because subconciously they love windows but can't embrace it? Can they not admit that PC's are so much better that they need to emulate them in order to feel equal? Why doesn't Microsoft emulate Mac? Cause they ******* SUCK!!! and they know it! Apples are all about conformity...Everything's the same...No custom cases, cool grafix cards, or AMD procs! You're FORCED to take the bullshit that they dish out to you....

LOL, so funny to see windows people arguing with MAC people. MAC sucks because it is good looking, but has no power/configurability Windows sucks because it crashes all the time and has no power/configurability Mac is better than windows because it does not crash Linux beats them both into the ground (SUSE 10.0) why does everyone say linux is playing catchup???? oooooo Mac has transparency, KDE has had transparency for longer. oooooo Mac "never" crashes, then why isnt it used on servers??? How long has XP been out? like 2-3 YEARS!!!! SuSE has a new release every 6 MONTHS. Do yourselvs a favor and just use linux... www.suse.com

Its ok let the MAC, hum I guess, ppl speak there minds. Because if it was not for Microsoft Bailing them out with...how much money was it Bill gave them...they would not have a MAC to play with. Now on to any even brighter topic...Linux SUSE 10.0. Come on now what mainstream applications can you actually use solitare? Oh wait that is a Microsoft product and they dont develop for OS's that are not actually used in a really world environment. Honest, having worked for a router/modem manufacturer that refused to develop any Linux drivers yet distrubed the world over...you know the one I am talking about take a look at you Efficient Networks router or modem, yea thats the one. And still someone opened there mouth as if in the world of Microsoft someone would listen. Folks make no mistake about Windows and Microsoft will never lose Market share or mainstream customers. MAC ppl are MAC ppl and will always be the werid bunch of corner huddlers you will every find. And those that choose to use Linux do so because the dont have the job or know how to get Windows for there computer. Great Article gave me the information that I need for development purpose.