Print - Microsoft: Sorry, There's No Windows Vista Virus

Last week's widely reported Windows Vista virus was not, in fact, a virus that targets Vista but was instead a virus that targets Microsoft Scripting Host (code-named Monad), an object-oriented, Microsoft .NET-based command-line environment. And although Microsoft Scripting Host might be installable on Vista Beta 1, the environment doesn't come with Beta 1 and won't appear in future betas or the final release, Microsoft says. Furthermore, the new Vista security subsystem isn't even enabled in Beta 1.

Thus, there's no Vista virus. Sorry, conspiracy fans.

"[Microsoft Scripting Host] is not included in the beta release of Windows Vista or in Windows Server 2003 R2 ... [and it] will not be included in the final version of Windows Vista," Stephen Toulouse, a program manager in Microsoft's security group, wrote in a recent blog posting. "So these potential viruses do not affect Windows Vista ... and pose no risk for Microsoft customers. The viruses do not attempt to exploit a software vulnerability and do not encompass a new method of attack. Furthermore, [Microsoft Scripting Host] is not widely available for general use. It's a beta, and we do not recommend or support the use of beta software in a production environment."

Although I'm sure that the gleeful Macintosh fan sites that ate up the Vista virus stories will be equally expedient in covering the truth, I have to wonder about the mainstream media, which was equally ravenous about covering this story. Even F-Secure, a widely trusted security company, covered the alleged virus. There's no Vista virus, folks. Anyone care to write about it?

The Virus That Wasn't A Virus. People forget that Windows ITSELF is a virus. But, whatever. There's plenty of time and, I'm sure, opportunity between now and next December.

Windows--for playing videogames, like the Sims. Macs--for getting real work done. No wonder the army hosts army.mil from OS X Server after getting hacked using Windows NT. LOL

In other words, this won't affect anybody because Monads won't be shipping with Windows, along with about 20 other cut features. M$ is too busy degrading OpenGL performance by wrapping it on top of Direct3D. You know, typical illegal monopolistic behavior that you sheep will continue to defend because you're used to crappy interfaces, malfunctioning software, and "anti-spyware" software and registry cleaners. Hahahaha. Have fun waiting another two years using Windows XP just to get features OS X Tiger already has today. M$ is dying.

WHY ALL THE USELESS COMMENTS FROM WHINING KIDS? PLEASE SHUT DOWN THE COMMENT FEATURE OR INSTALL A FILTER FOR THE BRAINLESS COMMENTS. (yes I am shouting)

And while MSH may be installable in Windows Vista Beta 1, the environment does not come with Beta 1 and will not appear in future betas or the final release, Microsoft says --- more **** being pulled? sweet...

"While I'm sure the gleeful Mac fanboy sites that ate up the "Vista virus" stories will be equally expedient in covering the truth, I have to wonder more about the mainstream media, which was equally ravenous about covering this story" uh.. you honestly think a buggy Windows product is newsworthy? You think this was on CNN? Wait until the launch at the end of next year for the really good virii. Remember.. Beta 1 had been out 3 days and there was a (impotent) virus. We've got one and a half years before this things out of Beta and launched.

Sheesh, these comments really show what a serious kick-in-the-balls this news is for Apple Fans.

"Have fun waiting another two years using Windows XP just to get features OS X Tiger already has today. M$ is dying" Lets see the 2 new features of OS X Tiger, Spotlight, i can get windows desktop search free of charge, and dashboard, i can get konfabulater for free. Momad is not a pulled feature. It is mearely a system used for developers. To the end user it is meaningless.

Glad I found Vidalinux for my daily work. I believe M$ found the right path with the Xbox. They should just market games and consoles.

"Sheesh, these comments really show what a serious kick-in-the-balls this news is for Apple Fans." Uh.. which comments are YOU reading? Mac users had all the features promised by Gates like a year ago... you won't get the asterisk (castrated) version of Windows Vista until Dec. 2006.... What a burn on Mac users..

Ok. This is directed at you. You the "Windows is for playing the Sims" person. The "Longhorn is a trainwreck" person. Whoever you are, I have some questions for you. What's wrong? You seem so unhappy. You're on here every day spewing bile and bitterness about something as minor as a computer platform. Where is this all coming from? Did Bill Gates con you out of the whole "DOS" concept many years ago? Did Balmer have his wicked way with you at a tender age? What motivates this torrent of spite and resentment? If your reply is to be, as I much suspect, that you wish to "enlighten windows users to a better way" then you have failed miserably. Your rabid bigoted rants are downright repellant. You are an advert for Apple like al Quada is an advert for Islam. You desperately need to get yourself together. Living to hate a corporation is unhealthy and tragic. I wish you luck.

Lets see the 2 new features of OS X Tiger, Spotlight, i can get windows desktop search free of charge, and dashboard, i can get konfabulater for free ---- head, meet sand. Sand, head.

"Macs--for getting real work done. No wonder the army hosts army.mil from OS X Server after getting hacked using Windows NT. LOL " Doesn't Xbox and PS3 use Mac hardware?

No I am pretty sure Xbox and PS3 run IBM Power PC hardware. Thats like saying: "Oh wait won't Macs be running Windows Hardware soon?" See how stupid that statement looks? Just because they use the PPC does not make it Mac hardware, I'm pretty sure IBM would take issue with it being called that since they are the ones that make it and Microsoft did most of the design work on it and holds the patent on the CPU core. Getting back on topic (for once) since when is a script a virus? Most news sites ate this up when they first learned about it but never put the common sense into it that this wouldn't actually cause a problem because MSH isn't shipping with WinVista but will be available as a seperate add-on for Sys Admins.

Don't worry Rotten Apple OSX never has security issues! US-CERT National Cyber Alert System TA05-136A-Apple Mac OS X is affected by multiple vulnerabilities Original release date: May 16, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Mac OS X version 10.3.9 (Panther) and Mac OS X Server version 10.3.9 Overview Apple has released Security Update 2005-005 to address multiple vulnerabilities affecting Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server. The most serious of these vulnerabilities may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. Impacts of other vulnerabilities addressed by the update include disclosure of information and denial of service. I. Description Apple Security Update 2005-005 resolves a number of vulnerabilities affecting Mac OS X and OS X Server. Further details are available in the following vulnerability notes: VU#356070 - Apple Terminal fails to properly sanitize input for x-man-page URI Apple Terminal on Mac OS X fails to sanitize x-man-page URIs, allowing an attacker to execute arbitrary commands. (CAN-2005-1342) VU#882750 - libXpm image library vulnerable to buffer overflow libXpm image parsing code contains a buffer-overflow vulnerability that may allow an attacker execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. (CAN-2004-0687) VU#537878 - libXpm library contains multiple integer overflow vulnerabilities libXpm contains multiple integer-overflow vulnerabilities that may allow an attacker execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. (CAN-2004-0688) VU#125598 - LibTIFF vulnerable to integer overflow via corrupted directory entry count An integer overflow in LibTIFF may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CAN-2004-1308) VU#539110 - LibTIFF vulnerable to integer overflow in the TIFFFetchStrip() routine An integer overflow in LibTIFF may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CAN-2004-1307)

ple does not have security problems "continued" VU#331694 - Apple Mac OS X chpass/chfn/chsh utilities do not properly validate external programs Mac OS X Directory Service utilities do not properly validate code paths to external programs, potentially allowing an attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CAN-2004-1335) VU#582934 - Apple Mac OS X Foundation framework vulnerable to buffer overflow via incorrect handling of an environmental variable A buffer overflow in Mac OS X's Foundation Framework's processing of environment variables may lead to elevated privileges. (CAN-2004-1336) VU#706838 - Apple Mac OS X vulnerable to buffer overflow via vpnd daemon Apple Mac OS X contains a buffer overflow in vpnd that could allow a local, authenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code with root privileges. (CAN-2004-1343) VU#258390 - Apple Mac OS X with Bluetooth enabled may allow file exchange without prompting users Apple Mac OS X with Bluetooth support may unintentionally allow files to be exchanged with other systems by default. (CAN-2004-1332) VU#354486 - Apple Mac OS X Server Netinfo Setup Tool fails to validate command line parameters Apple Mac OS X Server NeST tool contains a vulnerability in the processing of command line arguments that could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CAN-2004-0594) Please note that Apple Security Update 2005-005 addresses additional vulnerabilities not described above. As further information becomes available, we will publish individual Vulnerability Notes.

Why Apple Support Sucks Support Support? Apple's idea of support is to put up a web page full of links that tell you how great their products are. If you go to the trouble to fill out a form telling them what problems you're having, they tell you after you've filled out that form that they won't bother responding to you personally and that your efforts to explain a technical problem to them were wasted. Apparently they're not interested in hearing about technical problems.

Why the Apple UI sucks User interface Having to click on a window to select it just sucks. Yes, I know Windows works that way. Windows sucks too. What's worse, clicking doesn't select a window, it selects an application. If you move the mouse to another window of the same application, you don't have to click. So to avoid making unnecessary clicks (and perhaps doing something you didn't want to do) you have to be aware of whether you're switching to a window of a different application or a different window of the same application. This is stupid. Being able to run programs and manipulate files via either a shell command-line interface or a point-and-drool interface is valuable - there are times you want to use one and times you want to use the other. Unfortunately, on MacOS X the two worlds don't work well together. The idea seems to have been that users will spend all of their time in the point-and-drool world, and the underlying file system is just a way to implement that. This really robs the machine of a lot of power, because there are lots of things you'd like to do for which point-and-drool is just too tedious. For instance, the Preview app has a nice PDF viewer, but the Preview app isn't intended to be run from a command line. There's not an obvious way to do this. (It turns out if you type open filename.pdf this will launch whatever app is set up to read .pdf files, but they don't go to any trouble to let you know about this - they assume you'll want to use the GUI most of the time). Unfortunately the view of the file system you get through the file dialog doesn't correspond to the one you get from UNIX. So using shell commands you can store files in directories that you can't access from point-and-drool apps. I was told that if you edit the file /.hidden you can fix this problem. Well, it doesn't fix the proble

Why Safari sucks Safari Since Panther, Safari tries to deal with ftp URLs by mounting an FTP file system and popping up a finder window for the mounted file system. This is less functional than using the browser, and the system can get wedged if the FTP server doesn't respond promptly. Safari automatically extracts files from archives, mounts disk images, etc. whether you want this or not. There are times you really want to download an archive file without extracting it. Maybe you just need one or two files from the archive; maybe you need to copy the archive to a different system; maybe you don't trust the archive to not have absolute path names that will scribble over important files.

Wow Apple can screw up security before it evens starts? According to reports, Developer preview models of Apple's forth-coming Intel-powered computer, contain security chips which use Trusted Platform Module technology, in order to prevent users from installing the OS X operating system on non-Mac hardware. However, this TPM powered security chip has come under fire, for its inadequacy in protecting the user privacy. Apple recently began shipping the Developer Transition Kits, to enable developers to prepare for the switch to Intel-powered computers in 2006. These kits contain a Mac computer with an Intel processor, as also a version of OS X for Intel. The TPM technology is an open industry standard governed by Trusted Computing Group, a company which develops security standards. Each TPM chip comes with an encrypted serial number, which allows the operating system to check, whether or not it is running on hardware made by Apple. However, it is believed, that in theory, hackers can forge this serial number and fool the software into believing that it is running on Mac hardware, even if it isn't.

Unsubstatiated FUD and... an MS employees opinion on why.. the Mac UI sucks.. Yawn.. you know.. you're hurting the public more than your helping with this garbage. Use a Mac, then decide. Tool.

Apparently for each negative comments aimed at competing products posted on the net, Apple employees get .000001% pay increase. Hence comments you see on this site. Fortunately for these loyal employees, Apple sells enough iPODs to afford this initiative.

Macs use Intel hardware now. So I guess Intel was better all along. Sorry Mac fools, your hardware sucks just as bad as your buggy, bloated, derivative OS.

Folks, the reason Paul lets the macfankiddies make all their comments is it helps push more ad revenue his way. I should start some sites that get the macfanatics riled and make $$ too.

Well, since everyone else gets to be offensive... Although Microsoft has its problems, it has delivered in a way Mac has never dreamed of. When Apple delivers one of the top database servers, leads the market in business intelligence, develops a gaming console, delivers CRM and ERP applications, and still has time to develop an OS that you plush one button clicking in-the-closet, “I gotta show I'm different by choosing the only product that doesn't have a clue” supporters can go out and buy, to really do some work, then you can rub in my nose just how bad M$ sucks. Until then do what everyone else does and get a divorce, build up your credit card debt, buy a car you cant afford, and try to show your "friends" just how different you are by purchasing a dumbed down product with only 1/20th the market support, the 7 standard applications you can run (without additional purchase), and the 700 page illustrated "Idiots Guide to Turning on an Apple" hidden in the corner and leave your should-be-in-the-closet habit to yourselves and quite bothering people who want to talk about the main issue, which happens to be people like you jumping on a bandwagon (so original…) to defame M$, rather than reading people rant and rave about their wannabe fetish. Send your complaints to dev/null…

windows sux, it a virus itself for every PC, when games will be ported to linux or mac, windows will disappear... as a OS at least. Microsoft has others products as MSSQL that really works, but not their OS, from the begining it was a waste of resources , time and effort. Malevolent.

"Unsubstatiated FUD and... an MS employees opinion on why.. the Mac UI sucks." Hmmm, sounds legitimate. Yeah right! Rather than just saying something like this, why don't you refute at least ONE point that was made. I don't expect you to refute the entire thing, but refute at least one point. "windows sux, it a virus itself for every PC, when games will be ported to linux or mac, windows will disappear... as a OS at least. Microsoft has others products as MSSQL that really works" And what shall SQL run on then, hopes and dreams? And how are you to achieve this porting of games to Linux or the Mac? I don't see a groundswell of software developement, and neither do I see a sea change. "Macs--for getting real work done." And what is that work exactly? You guys say that MS is concerned with certain aspects of the computing market, that they are now emphasizing a little bit, such as with games, and e-mail and web browsing. Seriously, for most people, what else do people do? I doubt, and I know otherwise, that people are not overly concerned with photoshopping pictures and creating movies. What is the real work that gets done? It certainly isn't corporate financial/accounting software, is it (you know, Microsoft Business Solutions products)? It isn't class leading database or e-mail servers, is it (like SQL and Exchange)?

PATCH TUESDAY! LA LA LA! "Microsoft has released six patches for its Windows operating system today. Three of them are rated critical, one important and two moderate. The three critical ones are related Internet Explorer, Print Spooler and PnP. They all three fix issues where your machine could be taken over completely." PATCH TUESDAY, LA LA LA! Why do you guys continue to put up with defective crap? Oh, yeah, you're sheep. That's why. PATCH TUESDAY! LA LA LA!

Over four years after Windows XP was released, we still receive regular 'updates' and 'bug fixes,' which reflect a product that was originally scandalously defective.

Seriously, for most people, what else do people do? --- Egads.. the truth is setting in.. get a Mac mini and a PS2 and you're set... And all you IT Pros would be out of work ;)

Yep. People defend Windows because they need its defectiveness to secure their job. A company with Macs doesn't need an IT department. It's the biggest kept secret of IT.

"Lets see the 2 new features of OS X Tiger, Spotlight, i can get windows desktop search free of charge, and dashboard, i can get konfabulater for free" Konfabulator sucks and is slow as crap, and none of the Windows desktop search add-ons integrate into the filesystem to allow for saved searches, real-time result updates, and arbitrary custom file types for searching any file type an application wants, from PDFs to videos to anything at all. OS X kicks Windows' ***. "OS X is simply better than Windows." - Paul Thurrott Next.

Macs suck for every person in the world, except video and image editing users. I can't believe this mac -vs- pc crap is STILL going. Bottom line - Pc = 95% market share. If you think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, FINE. Just know that 95% of the world says that your wrong. And if the Mac os is so great, why is it linux based now? Yes, there is a lot less viruses for Mac. Why, you ask? BECAUSE ONLY 5% OF THE WORLD USE THEM!!! HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!

Don't use Firefox - it's raw as a spring carrot and FULL of security holes, oversites, and vulnerabilites. My brother put it on his computer and caught a virus through it - just from surfing - the same day. So far, NO browser is 100% fully W3C compliant. They all miss the mark to some degree. Nevertheless, several vendors - including Microsoft - are trying to come as close as possible. Safari might be a good browser [it does have its own set of problems], but it is hardly a choice for someone using a PC. Opera is fine if you like adaware - or paying cash to the Opera company so they stop spamming you through their browser. Currently, perhaps ironically but nevertheless, the most hardened browser is Internet Explorer 6. It needs only an occasional patch. This contrasts with Firefox which requires constant patching there's so many vulnerabilites. As a matter of fact there's so many needed they have to re-release the software every month. Internet Explorer, on the other hand, with a little tweaking is by far the most secure browser available these days if you use it properly.

Just know that 95% of the world says that your wrong. ---- First of all .. most people on this planet don't have running water. Secondly, most PC's sold don't actually have 'owners'.. they're owned by corporations/governments and do little more than running legacy software, or .. at best. surfing the web. Apple's share in the Education market and in the Consumer market (the two sectors they're interested in) is quite healthy thank you.. Quick question.. based on sales per quarter, if I were to start my own computer company and build PC's that break down half as much as a Dell.. would that help, or worsen my sales/quarter? I'll let you chew on that..

We use Dells at work and they've never broken down... I'll admit they've got some annoyances to them, but overall they're working.

"First of all .. most people on this planet don't have running water." Are you positive about this? And if so, what makes you think these people are going to be able to shell out a ton of money for an overpriced Apple? "Apple's share in the Education market and in the Consumer market (the two sectors they're interested in) is quite healthy thank you.." If by Healthy you mean small, then you would be correct. I wonder sometimes if Apple's numbers don't compare to Linux, which is better for developing nations anyways CONSIDERING IT'S FREE, both by price, and by it's ideals. I'm sure you can't stand the fact some Windows people would rather use Linux or FreeBSD over your precious over-rated Mac OS X.

Hey, aren't you guys going to bring up the DRM scheme than the PS3 will end up dealing with? "Blu-ray Disc Association, led by Sony, representing one of two competing high-definition DVD formats (the other being HD-DVD, led by Toshiba), stated it will simultaneously embrace digital watermarking, programmable cryptography, and a self-destruct code for Blu-ray disc players" Thanks Slashdot :). And yes, it will most likely effect HD-DVD too apparently. Isn't DRM Great? (rolls eyes and rips out his hair while vomiting all over himself)

"First of all .. most people on this planet don't have running water." Then how on earth arey going to afford an exxpensive Mac ? At least Dell has an economy model @ $299.00 [USD]. The *least* expensive Mac is near double that at $200.00 more - and that's the model with the slow 5400rpm harddrive. Apple Corp.'s made sure their product line has a heart for the poor, I'm sure [sarcastic].

"Apple's share in the Education market and in the Consumer market (the two sectors they're interested in) is quite healthy thank you.." If by Healthy you mean small, then you would be correct. I wonder sometimes if Apple's numbers don't compare to Linux, which is better for developing nations anyways CONSIDERING IT'S FREE, both by price, and by it's ideals. ----- Umm,,... Apples Education share is SMALL? Are you insane? The Home Consumer share is about 10-14%... Furthermore, .. OF COURSE Linux is better for developing nations.. what are you talking about? PS. Thanks to the guy who compared Dell and Apple's cheapest 'models'.. mentioning almost nothing of specs/features included.. that was really helpful. Wow. A $300 PC from Dell.. hold me back.. Why on earth are you talking about the Poor buying Macs.. I mentioned that 95% of the World was a foolish comment, .. most people on this planet don't care about this ****. Furthermore.. most PC's bought from Dell, HP aren't even going into homes anyways... so the marketshare has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT PEOPLE THINK. These are businesses going after the lowest bidder. Duh!

"Furthermore, .. OF COURSE Linux is better for developing nations.. what are you talking about?" "First of all .. most people on this planet don't have running water." Why did you bring up the running water comment when someone made a comment about Mac's small marketshare? All you did was prove their point. Linux is better for the developing nations, which makes Apple just that more insignificant. "so the marketshare has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT PEOPLE THINK" Consumers include businesses AND home users, ya know. You don't know what you're talking about :P. "Apples Education share is SMALL? Are you insane?" Nope: "Macworld: News: Apple's education market share half of Dell's" (2002) "Dell gains big-time in the education market ... Dell now owns 44% of the education market in the US" (2004) "Apple Creates New Executive Position to Regain Education Market Share" (July 29th, 2005)

I sure hope you're not reffering to this: "Apple is the dominant leader in K-12 education according to a report issued by industry research firm, IDC. IDC's Report, "Apple, Still at the Head of the Class: Installed PC Market Share in K-12 Education, 2000-2001," shows Apple is leading the way in both desktops with a 27.7% share, and portables with a 34.7% share of the education market. According to IDC's report, Apple has nearly twice as many desktop and portable computers in schools as its nearest competitor." ... "IDC predicts that Portables will account for about 19.4% of US Education market units in CY2001, up from 15.8% in CY2000." Considering it's from 2001. I may have given a news quote from 2002, but I also gave some for 2004 and 2005 (quite recently, /w the 2005 one).

MICRO$OFT SUCKS, SHEEP." I'm clever when I swap out the "s" in Microsoft for a $ sign, because see that way I get the point across that all M$ cares about is money. Apple cares about the users, not the bottom line. That's why they waited 20 years to sell a two-button mouse and now charge $99 for a mouse that is not cordless. And I know they care about the users because they ship $2000 computers with slower graphics hardware than you can find on PCs. And because iMacs never break down or over heat. Nooooo.

Support on not buying Vista here. What does it do except giving a nicer interface? (I mean to depth. WinFX, okay...so it is a search system, so what?)

Hmmm so what about a virus even if it wasnt one. Vista will have its share soon though. Every Windows version does. It is still amazing to me though it took M$ this long to finally try to match up to FireFox. Sadly though IE will always tail the fox (pun intended).

Wait... So let me get this straight. So now there was no virus for Vista because the feature of the OS that it used to its advantage was taken out? This makes no sense to anyone with half a brain. Of course there is a Vista Virus or at least a piece of malware, this article name is misleading. It's like Microsoft taking out networking capabilities to keep it from gaining viruses. Never mind the fact that it's a feature being sacrificed for a security failure, let's just ignore that. If Microsoft's idea of a security fix is writing out features of an operating system, they have got some nerve. People who act like this is a "kick in the balls to Apple fans" are sadly either fooling themselves or are not very quick. Of course Apple has security flaws too, but here's the real difference, they're actually ahead of the game with Security Updates, Microsoft has been behind for years. By the way, I'm not a Mac zealot. I run all sorts of systems including Windows XP, FreeBSD, many flavors of Linux, and yes Mac OS X.

Yeah, it's somewhat analogous to as if Microsoft sold fruit instead of software. Microsoft hands you a rotten Apple, then when you complain, Microsoft rips the rotten parts of the fruit out, and hands you back a torn up Apple. What's wrong with that you ask? Well you're missing parts of the fruit now. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be handed a clean Apple to begin with. No pun intended of course! ;)

I disagree, The reason Apple has fewer exploits is because fewer people go out of there way to find them. Most people in the world have a brain and buy a Microsoft product, thus meaning more hackers attempt to locate exploits in a Microsoft OS as it will have a larger impact. The Mac people are the sad lonely rejects of society who think having a flavourless OS is a great thing. What can a Mac OS do? Answer: F**K ALL! What can a Microsoft OS do? Answer: Anything you want it to do! MAC PEOPLE JUST CRAWL BACK TO YOUR CAVES AND THINK HOW SAD YOU ARE TO HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE!

First please forgive my bad english Second Please let me say - Nice website - very informative articles in 'ere but third : It's like ever - and everywhere MAC/Linux/... is best Windows is **** I could never read that any more its like in every other forum all people yelling out "ohh Im NOT using that MS - Crap" im using tah best OS - But no one really uses "AMIGA - Workbench " I laugh about all you foolish boys and girls flaming around on other OS - Users So please do us all a flav. NOT take a better one (your opinion) MAKE a better on and than you can flame around and otherwise please go back to nursery school It is not tah OS that makes tah **** - just tah user in front ov when i see how much soooo high secure Linux - servers / Mac - servers / etc. -servers where available in tah www.- tuned by some 12 years old counterstrike - kiddies - i really get a kernal - panik better a """"safe"""" windows system connected to tah www than such high-secure-servers that could use by every1 want it as spam-server or ddos-server or ... and so on and so one other opinion ??? 10 DIM(BestOS$) 20 For bestOS$ = SomOnesOpinion to OtherOnesOpinion 30 Else {PerfectOsUsedByMe} goto hell 40 Next bestOs$ 50 goto 20 :Hell End tah stupid discussion

Mac computers are all a piece of junk and should be shot. everyone knows that anyways. I wouldnt even buy a mac if it was free because they suck so much. they are so crappy they should be illegal to own.

Blah, Blah, Blah... Microsoft operating systems followed an uninterrupted evolution path on the same platform (Intel), are easy to manage, powerful, any level of the OS is accessible - if you are skilled enough, and there are billions of programs you can run on (lots of them are free). Apple OS's started for a platform (Motorola), then another (PowerPC), now are bending to... you know what? You guessed, Intel. As developing an OS was too much hassle, Apple recently took a *BSD release and built some cr*p over it. The pre-OSX Apple "appeal" to hackers was dev/null: too few machines out there, and too few of them were 'netted. If you want to make a mess, your target IS a WinBox. So, everybody heard about Win Bugs, and no Mac Bugs: Why? 'coz no one cared to crack a Mac, worthless! Uh, and what about freeware for Mac? Ha-ha-ha.... I've never heard of. An office suite for Win? There are some, even free, since almost 15 years. There were free office suites for MacOS BEFORE the switch to OSX? NO. Stop ranting, dear AppleFans, and keep using an expensive computer, with a PC architechture, using a *BSD operating system kernel, and with a mouse that can be used with a mitten. Poor sods...

I think it's interesting that 6 patches released in a week is grounds for considering the product weak. Since MS products exist on the majority of the worlds computers. The majority of people looking for security holes focus on MS products. 6 patches shows me that MS is active, doing damned well at keeping up with negative influences. As for myself, I have used Macs, PCs, Unix, and Linux. And regardless of my views on the quality of each, I will use the one that the majority uses, because I want access to more software, and ease of networking to the majority of people. People complain about microsoft, mainly because of their near monopoly. But if that near monopoly means easier integration and a set of standards for other technology producers to compare themselves.. I'm all for it.

All of this "Macs are too obscure to be cracked" crap is complete ignorance. There are more Mac users out there than there are Linux users, and we STILL see Linux with viruses and trojan horses. Besides, any cracker to get a virus out in the Mac world would be infamous. They'd get to shove it in the faces of Mac users everywhere. Don't act like Macs don't make a blip on the meter. It's sheer ignorance.

Why would anyone be so stupid as to not actually check something out in depth and then act like an expert on it? Here's something that must be pointed out. Almost all Mac users have used Windows before (and recently) and hate it. Almost all Windows advocates have never used Mac before (or not anywhere near recently) and still hate it. What's up with that? This is how Mac myths get spread around. You're criticizing things before you even know about anything other than "Ooh it has colors and its shiny" These people make me sick. You don't even have a clue as to what Macs actually can and can't do. It's sad really.

there is no glory in beating up the runt,only if you knock the sh%t out of the Giant do you gain infamy and a name. Microsoft is the biggest player of them all and there are alot of wannabe Giant-slayers out in the Hacking community wanting Microsoft blood on there swords-and no matter how many wannbes have taken a shot at the King, the Giant is still number one, and very much alive.

Let just save us all time (Mac People) and admit the Mac OS's are just pathetic. They had there chance to be world leaders in that game but blew it with the pathetic ideas. Microsoft reveal new modern OS's that makes other OS's look dated in design and stability. Microsoft always have and probably will continue to release patches as crackers always find an exploit somewhere! Only reason why Mac's dont have these problems is due to the fact most people in society want to buy a quality product which comes with quality service. The sooner Apple go the better! Apple never have and never will get a cent of my money for either their software or hardware! EG: I-Pod.

Again, the last time you probably have even used a Mac would have been about 10 years ago. You have no clue as to what sort of features are available in the OS, nor could you imagine an upside to them until you actually use them on a daily basis. Mac users have done this before. Windows users haven't. You must do your homework before you comment.

"Microsoft reveal new modern OS's that makes other OS's look dated in design and stability." -Vista (2006), Tiger (2005) -Aero, Aqua -UNIX-like User folders, UNIX-like User folders -Virtual Folders, Smart Folders -Parental Controls, Parental Controls -Breadcrumb Bar in Explorer, Path Button in Finder -Preview Pane in Explorer, Preview Pane in Finder -Tabbed Browsing in IE, Tabbed Browsing in Safari -RSS Support in IE, RSS Support in Safari -Integrated Search in IE, Integrated Search in Safari -Speech Recognition, Speech Recognition -Sync Manager, iSync -Windows Backup, Disk Utility -User Account Protection, UNIX-like Account Privileges -Search, Spotlight -Castles, Bonjour -RAW support, RAW support -MSH, BASH Hmmm... A lot of features that are just now being released in 2006 by Vista have been in OS X since before Tiger as well. What exactly do you mean by other OSs looking dated? If anything XP and even Vista is very dated. Don't even try to argue that a MS OS is more stable than a UNIX OS. That's too laughable. The views you all have of Mac OS must be from 1995 or something... ya know back when Windows was "Windows 95"?

"The sooner Apple go the better!" Ahh.. it must suck for you then. Have you taken a look at Apple's stock for the past few years? They're healthier than they've ever been. ...and no I'm not trying to make the argument that they're close to MS's level of marketshare.

I just dont get the power per dollar with the mac. There is a big gap in what the low end models and high-end models can do with the mac. I have to spend about 7000+ (nz dollars) for a 17 inch notebook with only a g4 processor. I got a 17 inch pentium 4 3.2 ghz for about 3000+. and both machines crash on me...believe me...the mac has cost me a hefty repair bill or two.

I think Vista is far cooler and more attractive looking then OS X. I don't know much about computers but my mac friends make fun of me for having a pc but all of them have taken their macs into the store to get either replaced due to parts breaking inside or their screens freeze and they have tons of problems. However my PC has had no bugs, no problems, no errors and no replacement parts. and it cost 5 times cheaper and is twice the speed. I work with video editing and mixing music and it runs great for me.