Print - Apple Expected to Announce Move to Intel Today

I've always had a contentious relationship with Apple fanatics, but my revelation earlier this year that Apple Computer will move to Intel microprocessors has to be the most important chapter of that relationship yet. On April 26, 2005, I mentioned in a blog post in WinInfo Daily UPDATE that "Apple is unhappy with the PowerPC production at IBM and will be switching to Intel-compatible chips this very year." That blurb touched off a new round of Thurrott bashing by Apple fanatics but was later confirmed by independent reports in "The Wall Street Journal," "Fortune," News.com, and "The New York Times," all of which not only corroborated what I wrote but added details to the story. Today, according to these reports, Apple CEO Steve Jobs will announce Apple's transition to Intel chips at the Worldwide Developer Conference (WWDC) 2005 trade show in San Francisco.

My, my, my. Predictably, speculation about this transition has been all over the map. In the rumor's early days, many people suggested that instead of using Intel x86-based chips in Macintosh computers, Apple planned to use Intel XScale microprocessors for a new Tablet PC-like device. Others suggest that perhaps Apple had the cachet to commit Intel to manufacturing Power PC-compatible chips. My sources told me, however, that Apple was actually switching to Intel chips for the Mac.

None of this speculation really matters. Like most technology enthusiasts, the details of this transaction fascinate me, assuming it happens as reported. And, like thousands of other people, I'll follow Jobs' WWDC keynote address today. I'm more concerned about the Mac community. Where's the love, guys?

When I broke the story, people ridiculed me for dredging up a years-old rumor, as if I were in the middle of a slow news week and simply decided to make up something. Mac fanatics insisted that the news was fake. Slowly, over time, major media outlets started reporting on the Apple transition to Intel, and opinions began to change. But instead of suggesting that maybe--just maybe--I was on to something, the Apple fanatics changed tactics. Thurrott, they now say, didn't actually break the story. He was simply one of many people who wrote about Apple moving to Intel over many years.

That's cute, but it isn't true. The last time a major analyst or news publication reported on this possibility was well over a year before my blurb. The current round of speculation about this transition started right here in WinInfo.

That fact has to rankle the Mac faithful. WinInfo, after all, is perceived as a Microsoft-friendly Windows-based publication. (Clearly, none of these people read my opinions of the software giant during its US antitrust trial.) Coupled with the fact that I published the first-ever major Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger review that was based on final Tiger code, on the SuperSite for Windows, no less, you can see why Mac fanatics are irritated. I'm stealing their thunder. (Apple was upset about the review as well, coming as it did 10 days before Tiger shipped publicly. The company threatened to sue and asked me to temporarily remove the screen shots, which I did.)

News flash time, Apple fanatics. Despite the fact that I tend to be more forthright about Apple's problems than most of you, I'm on your side. I've said this before, but clearly I need to say it again: I want Apple to succeed, not merely survive. The PC industry is a much more interesting and exciting place with a thriving Apple, and I revel in the company's successes as much as you do. For many reasons, I can't switch to the Mac platform full time, but I regularly use Mac equipment and have done so for 4 years. Indeed, I've spent thousands of dollars on Mac and Apple hardware and software over the years (I've also purchased five iPods) and have likely financially supported the company more than many of my critics have.

I'm not in San Francisco, but I wish I were. Like many Apple followers, I'll be glued to my PowerBook screen today, watching Jobs' WWDC keynote address from afar. I don't know exactly what he's going to say, only what my sources have told me. But if the address lives up to the advance hype, it could be one of the biggest speeches of his career. I don't intend to miss it. Let's enjoy it together, eh?

Fair enough Paul. So....the bottom line is: 1. Your sources know what they are talking about and Apple switch to Intel. 2. Your sources don't really know what they are talking about, but you believe them anyway. 3. Your sources are deliberately dealing out a little mis-information to the first likely sucker they meet. It will be interesting to see how this pans out...... and to see who will STILL be claiming to be FIRST to break the news.

This is not an article about Apple moving to an Intel based platform, but an article written by the author about himself, never have I read anything so self centred. Poor journalism. As for the stance on the potential switch from PowerPC to Intel - this can be nothing but a good thing - lower cost of production and bring OSX to the mass market. Paul Brain - Linux User

Good peace-offering Thurrott, your opinions do tend to be slightly harsher than the mac community is used, but that is generally a good thing. Nice to see a glimmer of a mac-user simmer through that tough skin there ;) apt

Good article. I use Apple fulltime and love it. What I don't love is people crucifying the messenger. He's just relaying info, not actually making it happen. If Apple switches to Intel, get over it people. Its just a freakin chip, not the end of the world.

I think the x86 platform is virtualization-unfriendly and obsolete. It carries the baggage of an architecture dated more than 20 years.

Oh please, the exact wording of Paul's blog was: "This one's bizarre, but we heard at lunch today that Apple is unhappy with the PowerPC production at IBM and will be switching to Intel-compatible chips this very year. Yeah, seriously. " When you look at the full text, it hardly looks like any sort of report, and more a piece of lunchtime gossip among developer geeks. But if Paul wants to pretend that he somehow broke this story based on that entry, fine. His ego can certainly handle it.

So! The all the big talk by the CRAPPLE crazies about CRAPPLE never going to the "inferior" Intel chips has turned out to be Exactly what all BIG talk by CRAPPLE crazies is : So much HORSE PUCKEY!!

My love for Mac won't falter, as the OS will remain the same, no matter what chips it will be running on. If it will be x86, then I hope it will also mean that the multitude of software which are now for Windows will be for Mac, too. And who in their right mind would stick to cumbersome Windows when they can install sleek and effective Mac OS X on their PC? (In their right mind, I said:) To me, it has always been the combination of attention to the minutest detail, to produce hardware and software together which adds up to 'more than just a machine', because it carries within the quality of such an attention. A detail often overlooked, especially by PC-people. I don't know how often I have heard them say: 'After all, it is just a machine'. Would a carpenter say; 'It is just another hammer'? No, sir - there are tools and then there are tools. As long as Apple stay true to whatever maxime they do have regarding the way they work, but which clearly results in tools which are more than just another tool, I will love their tools:)

"Or perhaps Apple has the cachet to commit Intel to manufacturing Power PC-compatible chips, others suggested. My sources have told me that Apple is actually switching to Intel chips for its Macs, however." What exactly does that mean? Intel won't be producing Power PC chips, instead they'll be producing Intel chips? If Intel produced Power PC chips, would those chips not be "Intel Chips?" Did you mean to say x86? So you expect Apple to recompile all their code and force their users to, what, download all their software again? That is a horrible business decision. I admit switching to Intel is a good decision if Intel produced chips with the PowerPC architecture. But switching to x86 would be suicide.

"When you look at the full text, it hardly looks like any sort of report, " Rubbish! When you look at the full text,it says exactly what it says, which is: "we heard at lunch today that Apple is unhappy with the PowerPC production at IBM and will be switching to Intel-compatible chips this very year. Yeah, seriously" In plain English, it says CRAPPLE will switch to Intel. No amount of massaging, and double speak from you will change the fact that Paul got it right, and scooped this story. Get over it!

Paul claims to have "reported" this first. I think a quote from The Princess Bride sums it up: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

I think it is now time for all M@c fan-girlz to apologize to Windows users. You should at least be happy that your hardware will be 10 times cheaper and a 100 times faster.

"I admit switching to Intel is a good decision if Intel produced chips with the PowerPC architecture." Not gonna happen. Intel is NOT going to produce PowerPC's. "But switching to x86 would be suicide" That is exactly what is going to happen. CRAPPLE is switching to x86! Suicide? Naaaah! But its such a pleasure seeing the anguish on the CRAPPLE fanatic community's faces though. :)

Someone's caps lock seems to be stuck. A spell checker wouldn't hurt. It is spelled Apple. No C or R at the beginning, and not in all caps. Time for a new keyboard?

"It is spelled Apple. No C or R at the beginning, and not in all caps. Time for a new keyboard? " Naaaah. CRAPPLE will do nicely,thank you very much. And it's CRAPPLE that is getting a new Intel chip, not me. :)

Thanks for the olive branch Paul. I too will be glued to my PowerBook screen. I must admit I may shed a tear if Apple adopts Intel chips. This was an exclusive club and at this point it seems they will let anyone in...and it all started with the IPod to the masses.

where is the love? you should ask where is the intelligence of a mac troll. I'm sure there are mac users who aren't idiotic fanatics just wagging their tails at any product jobs shows in some expo. But they are the minority. The majority are star wars fans doing photoshop in denial of the state of the computing world.

Paul, For starters, why don't you: (1) stop calling us "mac fanatics" It's insulting. Mac enthusiasts is more neutral. (2) stop making overly broad and/or unsupported statements about what "mac fanatics" are doing. There's a broad diversity of views on issues among mac fanatics. In this case, it's simply not true that every mac enthusiast site out there attacked you on this story. Sure, most disbelieved it, but not because it was coming from you. If you think a particular site or person has unfairly criticized you, name that site or person. Stop holding everything some single mac user or site says against the entire mac community. By the way, I don't think you can stop doing this. But prove me wrong.

Paul, I am impressed. You must be a very flexible man to be able to bend far enough to suck your own c*ck. God - what a friggin egotistcal wanker.

Mr. CRAPPLE is too dumb to realize that if Apple shifts to intel, it must be doing so because Apple will (1) make better, faster machines that way and (2) offer much better windows compatibility with no performance hit. In other words, mac haters lose a couple of arguments they now have. Go ahead Mr. Crapple and have fun chuckling away now. the joke's on you in the long run, dude!

Thurrott bashers, frankly you're the saddest people on the planet. Look at this idiot who made the first post - what absolute crap. Anybody in this guy's camp is a zealot without a cause. You poor, misguided little dogs.

I've no idea if HTML will work in comments, but -> The original "report" Once someone else has confirmed it I think that whilst Paul can say he heard it first, claiming to have "reported" it is a bit rich for repeating a line that was heard at lunch whilst at the winHEC conference. I think the majority will go with whichever newspaper "confirmed" it as the people who broke the story. BenN

seeing the anguish on the CRAPPLE fanatic community's faces though --- If they switched OS's okay.. but switching chips.. no anguish.

Damn. HTML is off. But you can still copy and paste the links. It just seems like what people are saying should have been backed up by the original reports as evidence. Something Paur forgot to do when he "broke the story". BenN

I don't remember Paul announcing the Apple/Intel relationship with any appreciable details.. ...and yet he calls it 'annoucing the facts'.. what facts? In his words it was speculation that Apple would switch to Intel... Facts, please.. come on Paul, you got 2 hours

Funny, I haven't spoken to any Apple users that seem particularly concerned about this switch. It's just another processor change, similar to the jump from the 68000 series to the PPC a decade ago. Perhaps Apple will do things with this processor that will leave the wintel world slapping it's collective forehead wondering why they hadn't thought of that (again).

If you want credit for the scoop, fine, you've got it. However I resent that you too often include the word "fanatic" when referring to Mac users. I am a loyal Mac user. I love the platform. Have used it virtually trouble free for 17 years. When I compare my experience to what most PC users have had to deal with during that time, I can't help but conclude that they must be really stupid. However, I think Apple's move to Intel processors (assuming this to be true) will more than make up for the alleged blunder of licensing the Mac user interface to Microsoft. It will be big and bold move which will pay tremendous dividends not only to Apple shareholders, but the computing public at large. Goodbye Steve Balmer! Microsoft is going to need real talent to head its efforts against direct competition (and good riddance might I say).

I'm not an Apple fan, but Paul hit the nail on the head with this one, good work Paul. It does surprise me though that Apple is choosing to switch to x86 at the same time everyone else is promoting x64

As a Mac user since the 128K I coudl really care less what processor inside the damn box. To steal a phrase "It's the OS Stupid!" If Apple goes to Intel, fine, if they don't, fine, I don't care other than for the issues raised such as price availability and so on. I don't think anyone would even care about CPU as much as they seem to now if Apple hadn't had to place so much ephasis on the PPC to compete with Windows when OS8 and OS9 just weren't cutting it alone. I have a little sandbox Mac OS network at home with 4 different generations of processors from 68K to G5, from an SE/30 to a 2Ghz DP G5, and you know what? They all talk no problem and I didn't feel any real pain going from one to the other through the years. Apple, as we have all read, has made CPU transitions before. Now with Mac OS X's hardware abstraction layer, WAY WAY WAY more than they could have ever hoped to have back in the 68K-PPC transition, it's easier than ever. Will Apple do this or is this something less? Is it all nothing? We'll all find out soon but though I may not always agree with Paul, I do find him FAR FAR less disagreeable than many of the Mac "FANATIC" web sites out there!

"As for the stance on the potential switch from PowerPC to Intel - this can be nothing but a good thing - lower cost of production and bring OSX to the mass market." 1) Intel x86 chips cost more than equivalent PowerPC chips. There's about 4 times as many transistors in a Pentium than a G5. 2) I'd be even more surprised than a PowerPC to x86 switch if OSX ran on off-the-shelf far eastern x86 PC hardware. If they go Intel, it won't be a PC. Apple is a hardware company too. Letting just anyone run OSX would eat into their hardware sales. If there's any truth in this switch it's because IBM/Freescale have stalled and Intel has something up their sleeves that Apple couldn't refuse. Top end Xeons/Opterons aren't that much faster than G5s now and Freescale's 7448 is coming in at > 1.5Ghz and sub 10w power, so this has to be about future CPU roadmaps, not what we have now in PCs or Macs. Also it's possibly to do with support chips for PCI-Express and mobile chips. Apple's got problems with it's SATA/Firewire speed in the G5s - the eMac has faster drive speed than the Dual 2.7 G5! Only an hour an a bit to go. I guess we'll soon know. Personally, I think Thurrot is going to have egg on his face.

"If Apple goes to Intel, fine, if they don't, fine" Wow just 2 weeks ago you people were laughing and critizing intel chips and gloating about the g5. Now you don't care what chips r used.

With the recent news that the Mac install base is at 16% and not the oft-quoted 3%, this news about switching to Intel could be the final nail in the coffin of Microsoft, signaling their inevitable death. Something is really shifting in the computer industry this year. If Mac-bashers no longer have CPU speed to bash Macs for, what else will they have? They'll have to judge Macs strictly on the quality of the OS compared to Windows, which has Microsoft worried--everyone, including Windows fans, agrees that OS X wipes the floor with Windows. I give two weeks until the PearPC developers hack the Intel-based OS X to run on any el cheapo Dell PC you want, and thousands of people will run screaming from Windows in droves to switch to the superior desktop OS. Eventually, all Microsoft will have is the X-Box 360, which will be crushed by the PS3. It's really not looking good for Microsoft right now.

Oh, and Paul, just have to say that the reason people were pointing out that you didn't break this story is that Dvorak wrote about the very same thing days earlier, and it's a rumor that's been going around all year. The internal x86 OS X build is something that has long been rumored to exist. Mac fans bash you because they're so used to years and years of insecure Windows fans bashing Macs pointlessly. Now that Apple is totally kicking butt this year, the tide is turning in a big way, and now the computing world can finally catch up by about five years, which is how ahead OS X is compared to crufty Windows.

Ah, the "CRAPPLE" kid is back...looks like he's scared because OS X is going to come stomping all over Windows turf. :) With OS X on x86, Windows' days are numbered. People will switch in droves to get away from the complete hell that is Windows XP and onto an operating system that actually works. What a great day for Apple fans...and a sad one for Wintel fanboys. Don't you realize what this means? Intel has jumped ship to Apple! Intel's CEO was even saying last week that you should get a Mac for security. LOL

AHAHAHAHAHA! So basically, Intel has abandoned the sinking ship that is Microsoft Windows and is going full steam ahead with Apple, the superior software company? INTEL? The Windows chip company? Now endorses Apple?!? AHAHAHAHAHAHA...all those years of Mac-bashing from Windows fanatics has just put a sloppy grin on my face. :)

Mac fans are quick to get defensive because for years, ignorant Windows/DOS users have bashed them. Back in the 80s, Macs used to get bashed for not having a command prompt. You PC users have been silly from the start. Then you took pulldown menus, desktop icons, the whole desktop metaphor, the Apple menu (which Microsoft calls the "Start" menu), and even the trash can. And then you pretended that Microsoft invented them, and bashed Macs some more. So for years and years, Mac users have learned to defend themselves from moronic attacks from PC users. But then something happened--Steve Jobs came back to Apple, and suddenly Apple was the cool new thing. PC users have been eating a lot of crow the past five years (as they listen to music on their Apple iPods). Now that Apple's marketshare is skyrocketing, coupled with the recent news that the Mac install base is 16%, Apple is finally getting its payback for having Microsoft rip off its OS. Now MIcrosoft's beloved chip maker has even jumped ship. The worst part is that Windows Longhorn is still two years away. Apple is where everything's happening these days.

So, does it mean one will be able to install MacOS instead of Windows on a PC ???

"The worst part is that Windows Longhorn is still two years away. Apple is where everything's happening these days. " And how long do you think it will take to shift from PowerPC to intel chip? Longhorn will be in its 3rd version. Paul, you have 6 IPODS? Thats 70% of the IPODS sold.

"So, does it mean one will be able to install MacOS instead of Windows on a PC ???" Apple will say no, but the PearPC group will have OS X hacked and running on a standard PC in a week. So, yes. That means millions of people switching to the OS X platform in droves. I can't wait!!

I'll say this. If OS X comes to the Intel platform, I'll be switching my entire company over. I just spent my whole weekend fixing the Windows network, which crapped out for no reason whatsoever. I brought my iBook in, and it just networked up without me even configuring a single thing. On Windows, you have to run two wizards to properly get the thing into a workgroup on the network and sharing folders securely. If Apple really does announce this, it will be the day of reckoning for a lot of Windows users who will now get to experience what a real desktop operating system is supposed to be, complete with industrial-strength UNIX underpinnings. As said earlier, it's payback time for Apple! The WINE group will have Windows apps up and running on OS X in two weeks, tops. Think about it--it's all over for Microsoft Windows as we know it now that OS X will be using the same chip platform.

i'm looking forward to future benchmarks on the matter. powerpc chips always did perform faster than x86 in certain tasks due to the RISC architecture, but now that everything will be evened out on the chip, people will get to see the advantages of apple design. for example, the data bus on macintoshes are set up so that data has to travel a shorter distance. things like that make macs faster, so now we'll get to see it indisputably in benchmarks

" because Apple will (1) make better, faster machines that way " You guys just crack me up. LOL! Just a couple of weeks ago, you the same guy, was here, screeching about how totally inferior Intel chips were, how utterly superior the PowerPC was, and how CRAPPLE will NEVER go for Intel. Today, you are seriously asking us to believe that the same "crap" Intel chips, are now suddenly going to : "make better, faster machines "? Come on! Even you, should be ashamed of yourself.

"2) offer much better windows compatibility with no performance hit" Ummm ... but why would you want to offer "better "Windoze" compatibility" though? You guys have the "superior" OS, right? And you guys kept constantly screeching that the new "mini mac" was gonna grab CRAPPLE huge markst share gains, no? So why bother with the hated "Windoze" at all? Its such a delight the see the CRAPPLE nuts backpeddaling at such full speed from their deeply entrenched positions just a couple of weeks ago. Just like I suspected. CRAPPLE crazies have to backbone whatsoever. A bunch of girly men of straw indeed.

"Goodbye Steve Balmer! Microsoft is going to need real talent to head its efforts against direct competition (and good riddance might I say)." Now where have I heard that before? Ah yes. I remember. About 10 years ago, from the same CRAPPLE fanatics, when CRAPPLE switched over to the PowerPC. CRAPPLE was going to smoke Microsoft then too. Only umm... it didn't quite happen. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Crapplehead - I wasn't here screeching anything a few days ago. What's happening is that your screeching about macs being slower is about to get a sock stuffed in it.

Crapplehead - On compatibility, hey all we need is to tell the windows users the mac is "compatible" and has no viruses/malware windows and they will plunk down the plastic. It's a marketing thing. Once the own and use the mac, they'll use the windows compatbililty features less and less because windows is dreck.

"With the recent news that the Mac install base is at 16% and not the oft-quoted 3%" Having wet dreams again, boy? Time to wake up,old chap. This is the real world now. No 16% for CRAPPLE. Still the same measly 2-3%. Poor CRAPPLE! :) LMAO!!

"If Mac-bashers no longer have CPU speed to bash Macs for, what else will they have? " Ummm.. I don't remember even mentioning CPU speed on Macs. People buy Dells, because they are umm..much cheaper than CRAPPLE machines, more reliable, have better customer service, and runmost important they run Windows, which they have all their business and home applications on. CRAPPLE can run on Intel all they want, Dell is still gonna clobber 'em. Easily :)

ALL HAIL PAUL! ALL HAIL PAUL! ALL HAIL PAUL! God, is that good enough for you? I mean...Paul, is that good enough for you?

"Ah, the "CRAPPLE" kid is back...looks like he's scared because OS X is going to come stomping all over Windows turf. :) " Yup. I am scaaaaaaaredd of CRAPPLE. Same as I was when CRAPPLE switched processors 10 years ago, and cheerfully promised to take out Microsoft, only for Microsoft to beat CRAPPLE even more. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!

"Paul, you have 6 IPODS? Thats 70% of the IPODS sold." Uh...sorry, that would be 90% of the market share of the DULL DJ.

"So basically, Intel has abandoned the sinking ship that is Microsoft Windows and is going full steam ahead with Apple, the superior software company?" Nope. You wish. LOL! Intel is going to sell 200 Million Windows PC's this year. That is the strongest ship in the business. Its CRAPPLE that has abandoned IBM and is now trying to jon the WINTEL bandwagon. LMAO!

"Now that Apple's marketshare is skyrocketing, coupled with the recent news that the Mac install base is 16%" Ummm..CRAPPLE'S market share has "skyrocketed" to ..wait for it...3%! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

What a load of self-opinionated twattle. And you've bought 5 ipods in 4 years! You really have supported Apple far more than any of us who have been around using Apple kite when you were still masturbating over pictures of Bill in your Mum's house! Good grief. Go peddle your crap elsewhere. Please.

"Now MIcrosoft's beloved chip maker has even jumped ship. " Ummmm.. dude, Microsoft's "beloved chip maker" is going to sell 200 Millon Windows PC's this year alone as against what, 5 million CRAPP sold?. Where the "jumping ship" at? Intel is has remained right where they are. They haven't moved an inch. Its CRAPPLE that is fleeing from their "beloved " chip supplier, IBM, to Intel. Poor CRAPPLE!. You can't spin this one,dude. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!

"Good grief. Go peddle your crap elsewhere. Please." Ummmmm... it's his site. Why should he go elsewhere? Maybe you shouldn't be reading it if you hate it so much. Oh yeah, you aren't smart enough for that.

"What's happening is that your screeching about macs being slower is about to get a sock stuffed in it." So you admit that Macs are currently slower than PCs...

Crapplehead - Check out the recent Consumer Reports. Apple had the best tech support by far, with over 80 percent rating. Everyone else including Dell was 60 or below.

"The WINE group will have Windows apps up and running on OS X in two weeks, tops. Think about it--it's all over for Microsoft Windows as we know it now that OS X will be using the same chip platform. " Umm...Windows has been running on Macs through emulation for years. Never made any difference to CRAPPLE's market share. It just kept going riiiight down!! LMAO!!

"What's happening is that your screeching about macs being slower is about to get a sock stuffed in it." So you admit that Macs are currently slower than PCs... Yea, marginally, but windows is utter pooh. I can't stand the stink of that rotting OS.

"So you admit that Macs are currently slower than PCs... Yea, marginally, but windows is utter pooh. I can't stand the stink of that rotting OS. " At least you have the intellectual integrity to see that point. Thank you. Some of these other folks can't see past their own prejudices and admit facts. I know Windows has some issues, but I definitely prefer the PC platform for the more advanced technology in place. Stable and fast SATA/PCI-e/HyperTransport, on die memory controller in Athlon 64, wide selection of superfast Radeon and GeForce vid cards, forthcoming Physics Processing Unit, upcoming Vanderpool and Pacifica, etc. If OS X can take advantage of all that, then more power to 'em!

"On compatibility, hey all we need is to tell the windows users the mac is "compatible" and has no viruses/malware windows and they will plunk down the plastic" Oh I get it. You mean like what the Linux crazies have been preaching for the padst 10 years right? Kinda like how consumers have been "plunking down their plastic" for Linux all this time, no? So like CRAPPLE goes from 2% share to..ermm.. let me see.. 2% share again! Now why didn't i think of that? :)

"The Developer Transition Kit is available starting today for $999 to all Apple Developer Connection Select and Premier members. " Way to go Cra@pple. Your charging developers to migrate their existing apps to intel? @pple is a trainwreck.

Lower cost of production? Intel CPUs are actually MORE expensive than PowerPC CPUs.

Why not have Intel in your consumer line, AMD in your gaming/server line, and PowerPC in your workstation line? Why Steve? Why? I was going to buy a PowerMac, but now obviously there's no point. Watch Apple's hardware sales tank for the next couple years. Once again his ego got the better of him (IBM's 3.0Ghz promise)

A few other stories have been saying that if Apple does move to x86 the move will take years, not this year or even next, YEARS! I think if it happens you will see it fully in 2007 or 2008, why? Because if Apple is going with Intel they are looking at getting/using the new dual core 65nm PM derived desktop chips intel has in the works. I don't remember code names, but these are the chips that will replace the P4's of today, and they are coming next year but at slower speeds, maybe 2.4ghz-2.8ghz?? To hit Steve's 3ghz fitish, he'd have to wait for 2007. Why not just use P4's that are over 3ghz right now?? Heat and noise, Apple wants to wait for quiet and cool yet very powerful chips. The Pm at 2.4ghz today can beat down or match a 3.2ghz P4 and a 2.6ghz AthlonXP in everything except multimedia apps, because of the weaker FPU in the PM which intel went with to save heat/cost and probably die size. Remember these are for notebooks/laptops, and power savings is what counts. But when you take the PM and stick it into a desktop which doesn't worry about power savings, you can beef it up again and get some even greater performence out of them and still run under 50Watt's! So look for 2007, if it happens, that's what I think.

With a 16% install base, the killing of WMA and WMV thanks to Apple media technologies, the skyrocketing of Mac sales, and the announcement of OS X Leopard within a year running on new Intel chips to crush Longhorn, it's a *******day to be a Windows user. ROFLMAO!!

"Only an hour an a bit to go. I guess we'll soon know. Personally, I think Thurrot is going to have egg on his face. " Guess who has egg on his face now? "Today, at Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference in San Francisco, Steve Jobs officially announced that Apple is finishing its partnership with IBM and plans to use Intel processors, starting next year with lower-end computers and following in 2007 with higher-end computers, such as the PowerMac line-up. " HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!! http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8448/Apple-Switches-to-Intel-Updated-/

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha! Windows' days are numbered. Ahahahahahahahaahaha.... All you guys have is some high school kid saying "CR@PPLE" over and over. Ahahahahahahahahahaaha! Welcome to the representative for Windows kidz.

So now that we'll be getting 3.4Ghz Powerbooks, what else will Windows user have to complain about? They'll have to compare Macs on the merits of the hardware and OS, which will suck for them. OS X wipes the floor with Windows. OS X Leopard in a year? Now Microsoft CAN'T delay Longhorn again, so it will come out crippled and buggy. iPod sales skyrocketing, Mac sales skyrocketing, Apple media codecs in use all over the place, and Microsoft revenues down...Steve Jobs even had the Microsoft Office guys on stage with him! What a great day for Mac users. I feel sorry for you PC guys. Even Intel has jumped ship on the Titanic that is Windows! Yikes.

"With a 16% install base, the killing of WMA and WMV thanks to Apple media technologies" With market share still STUCK at a miserable 3%, WMP dominating internet video, and WMP as standard in all the top internert portals like Yahoo for music videos, news,etc etc, and WMP based VC-1 as standerad for BOTH Blue-Ray and HD-DVD standards, , couples with the the fearful disruption coming with the move to Intel, CRAPPLE is even deader than before!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

"Kinda like how consumers have been "plunking down their plastic" for Linux all this time, no? So like CRAPPLE goes from 2% share to..ermm.. let me see.. 2% share again! Now why didn't i think of that? :)" Macs have 16% of the install base in the world, and growing every year. Users don't put down plastic for Linux, because it's free, moron. It runs most of the web servers in the world. It's like you WANT to appear stupid. Angry that Windows Longhorn is completely dead in the water now? OS X Leopard in one year! Have fun using Windows XP for another two...

Oh well, so it's now just down to the OS. Windows vs OSX. Sad day. A G5 with Altivec crushes my PC at media encoding - 2-3 times faster and many of the Photoshop filters are about as fast in comparison. I guess it means there's no faster Mac due in the next year or two till Intel come out with something faster than the dual G5s at a reasonable price (ie. not Xeon prices). Then again, if Apple really do release OSX on bog standard intels, that has to worry Microsoft somewhat. They've now got a direct competitor on the same hardware.

Man you are so right!!! I HAVE A MAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEPEEEEEEE!!! i love my mac, its so cool and fast! nothing come close. i have it since 2001, and still love, never had a problem! and it runs windows tooo!!! not like those crappy G5-s, this Mac of mine runs windows, and now it runs OS-X tooo. i love it! i love that i hadnt give 2000$-s for it, just around 5-600$ and it STILL RUNS OS-X!!! man, i'm so happy now!

"Macs have 16% of the install base in the world, and growing every year" Macs had 2% market share last year according to both IDC and Dataquest.

"Users don't put down plastic for Linux, because it's free, moron. It runs most of the web servers in the world" Fortune 500 companies DON'T use free Linux. They use Red Hat or other verions of Linux so they can get technical support for their software. They cost you plenty of money. Even PC's sold with Linux pre-installed use commercial Linux, which is on sale at Wal Mart, Best Buy and most electronics shops. Thing is ,the Linux crazies have been screeching about their "security" and what not for years. Microsoft still clobbered them on the desktop anyway

Macs had 2% market share last year according to both IDC and Dataquest --- Question: Do you even know what they're measuring? Sales as a percentage of total units sold per quarter. Hence, installed base is something else.. Furthermore.. Apple cares about the Consumer market and the Creative/Pro market.. not the business market..

Ah yes. I remember. About 10 years ago, from the same CRAPPLE fanatics, when CRAPPLE switched over to the PowerPC --- Huh? MS will have no competition until you can install Mac OS X on a Dell. You can't do that now.. so shut up.

"Users don't put down plastic for Linux, because it's free, moron. It runs most of the web servers in the world" Linux runs most of the servers in the world does it? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Okey Dokey Why don't ya read this and weep, moron? "Windows wipes floor with Linux Microsoft's server software remains huge hit, says IDC. By Manek Dubash, Techworld Windows is taking the server OS market by storm - and Linux has no hope of catching it, according to market researcher IDC. Its latest quarterly server survey found that income from sales of Microsoft Windows servers even matched enterprise Unix server revenues. ............................... However, IDC also reported that Microsoft Windows servers also showed strong growth, as revenues and unit shipments grew 12.3 per cent and 10.7 per cent respectively, year over year - from a much larger installed base than that of Linux. Significantly, quarterly revenue of $4.2 billion for Windows servers represented 34.4 per cent of overall quarterly factory revenue, pulling even with quarterly revenue in the Unix server market. Windows Server 2003, DataCenter Server, and Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition are all selling well, according to IDC's enterprise group chief Jean S Bozman. Bozman also said that she could not see Linux overtaking either Windows or Unix in the foreseeable future, mainly because Linux is starting from such a small base." http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=3760

"Question: Do you even know what they're measuring?" I know exactly what they are measuring , dude. Its called MARKET SHARE! And CRAPPLE is still in the pits. That's what matters.

I was stunned at this announcement. I never thought that Apple would make this kind of switch. I think the timing of it is very bad as well. Switching to a new architecture without having machines ready to go? Anyone want to venture a guess what will happen to Apple hardware sales over the next year? Can you say sink faster than the Titanic? Why would anyone buy a G4/5 machine with all new hardware due in the next year? While new machines happen all the time, this is not exactly just a faster chip or bigger hard drive we're talking about, this is a whole new ball of wax. I just bought my kids a new 17" G5 iMac (ironically giving them the fastest computer in the house), and was contimplating either a dual 2-2.3 G5 tower or 20" G5 iMac for myself in the near future. No way in hell I'll buy it now. I'll make due with my 933 G4 QS and iBook until the new Intel based ones are out. I wonder how many software developers Apple will lose with this move? Until the transition is complete, developers of major software titles will have to make three versions, one for MS, one for Apple on PPC, and one for Apple on Intel (Whatever the chip may be). Lastly, does this spell the end for Apple as a computer maker? If OS X will run on just any PC, why would someone spend the extra cash for an Apple box? Interesting times ahead. Ignore Mr. CRAPPLE. He does this for attention and likes nothing better than to argue safely and anonymously via the internet. He is truly a coward and is only worth contempt.

"Ignore Mr. CRAPPLE. He does this for attention and likes nothing better than to argue safely and anonymously via the internet. He is truly a coward and is only worth contempt. " Thus spake the guy who signed himself of as...drums roll...."Anonymous User" You just gotta love these CRAPPLE vermin, don't ya? This guys whines about A Windows user, on a Windows site, posting as "anonymous", while the same CRAPPLE moron, continues to post as "Anonymous User " You just gotta laugh. Dude, what planet are you guys living on?

"Huh? MS will have no competition until you can install Mac OS X on a Dell. You can't do that now.. so shut up" Riiiiight! Let me see if I get you right. Untill such a time that you can install Mac OS X on a Dell, then Windows has no competition, huh? Okey dokey. What do you call Linux which has already been installed on Dell for years,then? Remmember, Linux is already overtaking CRAPPLE in desktop market share. There has been plenty of competition for Microsoft on the Intel Desktops, going back to NEXT, Be OS, Linux,etc etc. Microsoft has simply clobbered 'em all. Next victim? CRAPPLE.

The reason why my post is "anon" is because I'm not a registered user of "Windows IT Pro". I came to read the article because it was linked at macsurfer.com. I posted my opinion of what happened at the WWDC and my fears of what this might mean for Apple in the future. I made several points and didn't make a single comment about the superiority of either the Mac or MS operating systems. Unlike you and Mr CRAPPLE (unless of course you're the same person), I stayed on topic and insulted no one other than Mr CRAPPLE. Anyone who spends as much time and energy on insulting users of other platforms (an utter waste of time seeing how it never really changes the mind of any user of either Windows or OS X), is comtemptable. The few times I have come to this site because it was linked to by others, I have stayed on the topic at hand. Mr Crapple is unable to do so for reasons only known by him. He is a fool and obviously borderline crazy. I would prefer to read posts only from people able to comment based on the story, but this is an open forum and anyone with an internet connection can post whatever gibberish they like. I've said all that I need to say on the topic and won't be back to read more crap from someone like Mr. Crapple. He IS contemptable and obviouly can't put together more than one sentence without losing his mind. I apologize to anyone reading these forums for wasting their time.

Apple fanatic two to three weeks ago: "HAHAHA, even Microsoft is ditching Intel with the Xbox 360! Intel is doomed! Power processors will rule eternal!" I just want those that uttered those types of comments regarding the Xbox 360, to reflect on todays announcement that Apple is going Intel.

I know exactly what they are measuring , dude. Its called MARKET SHARE! And CRAPPLE is still in the pits. That's what matters. ------------ Uh.. nnnnnnno.. what matters is installed base.. If your Dell breaks down and you buy a new one, you're not gonna buy new software you dipshit.. therefore.. there's no appreciable benefit to developers to being on the big marketshare.. it's the big installed base that matters.. hence.. DIFFERENT PEOPLE, not DIFFERENT COMPUTERS..

PowerPC is dead?....from a Mac standpoint, possibly. From computing in general, hardly. All three of the next gen gaming consoles will use PowerPC chips while the Gamecube and PS2 currently run on PowerPC hardware. I for one welcome the new Intel overlords. Apple charges $999 for the transition kit because the kit includes a 3.4ghz pentium 4 Macintosh. (which has to be returned) If you don't like it then don't make the purchase. Those of you deciding against a future mac purchase because of the change to Intel, why? I bought my Macs because of the software and its integration with the hardware. I don't care how it works as long as it just does. If Intel can advance chip power faster than IBM that's great. Who is going to complain about more power?

"Uh.. nnnnnnno.. what matters is installed base" You have 2% share for long enough, your installed base goes riiight down to 2%, because the # of PC's sold every years is going UP! This year alone, an estimeted 200 Million Wintel PC's are going to be sold, the highest # of units ever. That is another blow to CRAPPLE's installed base right there. Doncha just love it when that happens? :)

Apple fanatic two to three weeks ago: "HAHAHA, even Microsoft is ditching Intel with the Xbox 360! Intel is doomed! Power processors will rule eternal! Apple will never go to x86!!" I just want those that uttered those types of comments regarding the Xbox 360, to reflect on todays announcement that Apple is going Intel.

"The reason why my post is "anon" is because I'm not a registered user of "Windows IT Pro" It takes just a few minutes to register. Plus that's what you cliam. You seee, any anonymous user can simply say they just got here a minute ago, which is probably false. You are still here aren't ya? And for all I know, you could have been here for ages.

"Apple fanatic two to three weeks ago: "HAHAHA, even Microsoft is ditching Intel with the Xbox 360! Intel is doomed! Power processors will rule eternal!" " Yep. I remember that CRAPPLE fanatic very well. Funny thing is, the creep that made that statemnet is still here even as we speak. And he's till posting as much nonsense as ever, all under "anonymous user" of course. :) You just gotta luagh at these CRAPPLE fanatics.

"You have 2% share for long enough, your installed base goes riiight down to 2%, because the # of PC's sold every years is going UP! " So what? Apple has had a small market share for many years, and yet is profitable and has earned worldwide recognition for its creativity and innovation. As Paul Otellini“, president and CEO of Intel says: "We are thrilled to have the world’s MOST INNOVATIVE personal computer company as a customer” Take that, Dell-boy! LOL! LOL! LOL!

Steve Ballmer sticks it to CRAPPLE :) : ""We've been competing with Apple every day for the last 20 years and we have about 50 times as many users," says Ballmer. Every year, 50 times as many people buy a PC as a Mac, he added. "I don't think this changes anything in the basic competitive dynamic." " http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164300720 Way to go Steve!

"Tech Jobs at Dice 65k+ IT positions open. Apply directly to hiring managers. "I know exactly what they are measuring , dude. Its called MARKET SHARE!" Hey, Dell-boy! Since you are so fixated on market share, I've got a question for you: What company has a 90% lock on portable music players? Read the statistics and weep, Dell-pocket-DJ-boy!!! LOL! LOL!

A broken clock is right twice a day. Big Deal!!! This has beent he rumor for three plus years.

hahahahahahahahaha! wow what a bunch of whiners. no wonder Thurott wrote the article the way he did, considering (evidently?) the people reading his articles...

I must say that I don't consider this "reaching out to the Mac community." If you want to reach out to a community, calling them fanatics and posting info on a site devoted to a competitor is a mighty odd way to do it. This strike me more as self-promotion with some taunting on the side. While the former is fine, if so labeled, the latter doesn't win you many friends, at least among the taunted. If you want to be on someone's side, I'd suggest not poking them with metaphorical sticks. Or even calling them "fanatics." I am curious what exactly you want the so-called "Apple fanatics" to say? That you were right? That your sources are better than other people's sources?

"What company has a 90% lock on portable music players? " Yeah? Ummm.. CRAPPLE sold 5 millon units last quarter. Creative labs alone sold 2 million WMP based units last quarter. Add in Dell Samsung, Iriver etc etc, and CRAPPLEd id NOT even come clsoe to selling 90% of portable music players last quarter. Meanwhile........ "We expect little, if any, sequential iPod growth [this quarter]," Goldman analysts David Bailey and Laura Conigliaro said in a research note. The Goldman analysts said their own sources in the Apple supply chain confirm the current softness in iPod sales, and that the heady days when Apple blew away analysts' sales forecasts may be behind them..... And more "AppleInsider said iPod shipments "appear flat or declining this month as sources report the company is, for the first time in a long while, seemingly overstocked on most iPod models." Apple shares fell sharply in trading on the Nasdaq Stock Market, losing $1.80, or 4.5 per cent, to $38.24" The good news continues unabated. :) Just gotta love that.

"So what? Apple has had a small market share for many years, and yet is profitable" CRAPPLE has had more unprofitable qarters than Saddam Hussein has personally shot somebody. Meanwhile, Microsoft has made a profit, every single quarter since the company was founded. Its not even close.

" must say that I don't consider this "reaching out to the Mac community" Who wants to reach out to a bunch of CRAPPLE nuts? I sure don't, and neither do most Windows users. You see most Windows uers read the nasty garbage from the CRAPPLE fanatics too. We'd much rather dump 'em into the ocean. And good riddance too! LOMAO!!

Don't forget: "The iPod is part of pop culture, with a 76% market share in portable music players. End of last quarter 16 million iPods sold. 82 percent iTunes marketshare in the month of May." Apple is dominating in music and on its way in dominating PC's with the migration to Intel. My next computer will be a PowerMac with a top of the line Intel processor running Mac OS X Leopard while you WINDOZE LUSERS will still be waiting for Longwait!!! AHAHAHAHAHAA!!! Does anyone actually think Longhorn will ship by early 07?! HAHAHAHA!!! Try mid 2007 at the earliest, you see, MICRO$UCK is rushing to replicate OS X Tiger features and wedge them into Longhorn. once MICRO$UCK gets a peek at OS X Leopard, by now you should expect MICRO$UCK to delay Longhorn AGAIN in order to pirate OS X Leopard features into Longhorn. Once Longwait ships, then we can talk turkey. Read it and weep MICRO$UCK FAN-GIRLZ, you've seen this happen with Tiger. "Longhorn is a Trainwreck."-Paul Thurrot

"and on its way in dominating PC's with the migration to Intel" Its on the way to it's Waterloo you mean. Couldn't take share from Microsoft with Motorala chip (lost share), couldn't do it with an IBM PowerPC chip (lost share), and on it's way to its final doom with the Intel chip. With a 2% share, you have very little room to fall before you get very close to ZERO share. Poor CRAPPLE. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

"My next computer will be a PowerMac with a top of the line Intel processor running Mac OS X Leopard" But most of you Mac zealots said that Intel sucks so badly! It must hurt to be you right now. Your beloved OS, moving to such a "terrible, outdated" hardware platform. "Does anyone actually think Longhorn will ship by early 07?!" It must suck not having a clue. It will RTM 3Q06 and be in wide distribution 4Q06. "you see, MICRO$UCK is rushing to replicate OS X Tiger features and wedge them into Longhorn." Of course you have no evidence to back this up. But why worry about such things, right? "Longhorn is a Trainwreck."-Paul Thurrot, referring to a pre-Beta build of an OS not due out for more than a year. OS X 10.4 was released unfinished. They had to release a major patch within a week. Apple fanatics: "Microsuck is always patching their crappy software!" The irony continues to drip.

"With a 2% share, you have very little room to fall before you get very close to ZERO share. Check the stats: Jobs also lauded the Mac’s recent performance, compared to the rest of the computer industry. Apple has seen year over year growth in the Mac business unit for the past five quarters. “So last quarter, the Mac grew at over three times the rate of the rest of the industry,” he told attendees.-Macworld.com Read and it weep you myopic MICRO$UCK fan-girlz, Apple IS dominating, last quarter Mac sales grew "over three times the rate of the rest of the industry."!!!!! The deprived MICRO$SUCK extremists are too blind to read the truth, no wonder they stick w/Windows X-PEE and it's revolting GUI that was designed by some fisher-price fiasco!!!! HAHAHAH!!!

Heh, how is the switch to Intel even half as important as the move to OS X or the iPod? It will only turn out to be the biggest if it fails.

"and on its way in dominating PC's with the migration to Intel" BWAAAAAAHAHAHAA! It went from "Intel sux0rz, Power rulez" to this? Apple will now dominate with the transition to Intel? Make up your minds! It must hurt to be you right now. Your beloved OS, moving to such a "terrible, outdated" hardware platform.

"you see, MICRO$UCK is rushing to replicate OS X Tiger features " Oh ,I get it. Tiger features like these, yes? "many software application developers have found that the upgrade has messed up compatibilities with their offerings for the Macintosh platform. Many companies have reported that their networking related applications are no longer working under the Tiger Operating System. Most of them blame the changes Apple made to the kernel of this updated version of their primary Operating System offering. Most of these products are VPN programs that allow one to connect to a corporate network. Cisco and Thursby Software happen to be some of the worst sufferers.." CRAPPLE will always be CRAP!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

"Check the stats" I have. IDC has CRAPPLE down to am easly 2% for 2004! :) Next?

The chip isn't why I buy Apple hardware, "It's the OS STUPID"!!! "It must suck not having a clue. It will RTM 3Q06 and be in wide distribution 4Q06" Keep telling yourself that!!!! Its widely know MICRO$UCK attempts to pirate features from OS X, remember, "REDMOND, Start your photocopiers!" HAHAHAHA!!! "Longhorn is a Trainwreck."-Paul Thurrot, referring to a pre-Beta build of an OS not due out for more than a year. Paul himself said Longhorn, around a yr/yr 1/2 before it's release, was tantamount to a trainwreck, or had all the makings of a trainwreck. OS Tiger was NEVER labeled as such!!!! "IDC has CRAPPLE down to am easly 2% for 2004!" Check out 2005, now that iMac G5's are in healthy supply and the iPod halo effect is in full gear. Remember "Apple has seen year over year growth in the Mac business unit for the past five quarters. “So last quarter, the Mac grew at over three times the rate of the rest of the industry,” he told attendees.-Macworld.com" Next...

"Meanwhile, Microsoft has made a profit, every single quarter since the company was founded." Yeah, Dell-boy! Cheer away! Microsoft is raking in huge profits at YOUR expense because it is a monopoly! Quick question: Where all the billions of $$$'s headed to Billy this year coming from? Look at your wallet and weep, Dell-boy!!! LOL!

CRAPPLE NUT from 2 weeks ago: "HAHAHA, even Microsoft is ditching Intel with the Xbox 360! Intel is doomed! Power processors will rule eternal! Apple will never go to x86!!"" Same CRAPPLE nut today :"The chip isn't why I buy Apple hardware, "It's the OS STUPID"!!! " How can you go from a chip that is "doomed" to you "don't care about the chip"? You have been swearing you buy CRAPLE for the PowerPC as well as the Mac OS chip for months. A bit late in the day to change your tune now, FOOL!! This is just so easy! :)

"Check out 2005, now that iMac G5's are in healthy supply and the iPod halo effect is in full gear" 2004 is the last full year of figures from both IDC and Dataquest. And CRAPPLE sucked big time with 2% from both firms.:) As for "Halo" effect, yeah.. we had Halo efect alright, when Micrsooft sold to the tune of 2.4 Million units of Halo 2 in just ONE day! That is $125 Milloin Dollars to you, fool! And, a whopping 6.4 million units of Halo 2 in just 2 months of November and December, easily trumping anything CRAPLE was able to come up with. :) CRAPPLE "halo effect"? Where was it at last year then, when the ipods were still selling and CRAPPLE still ended the year with the normal, measly 2% share ?

"Yeah, Dell-boy! Cheer away! Microsoft is raking in huge profits at YOUR expense because it is a monopoly" Is that right? Is that why I buy my Dell for at least 30% less thaan you CRAPPLE zombies for for your overproced CRAPPLE garbage? And is that why my Dell comes with even more features than the CRAPPLE, even at that lower price? Is that why your CRAPPLE mini Mac wich comes with NO keyboard, NO mouse, NO monitor, and yet you can buy a Dell for up to a $100 less, which will give you everything you need to run it, including keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc etc? CRAPPLE is sucking your blood but good! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!

"Is that why I buy my Dell for at least 30% less thaan you CRAPPLE zombies for for your overproced CRAPPLE garbage?" Hey, everybody I was RIGHT!!! He really is a DELL-BOY! I always wondered who bought their products! LOL! And he has the CHUTZPAH to call another company's products "Garbage"! Dell - The home of quality merchandise! LOL! Thanks, you made my day, Dell-boy!

"And he has the CHUTZPAH to call another company's products "Garbage"! Dell " Don't need Chutzpah, dufus. CRAPPLE machines are overpriced garbage. "The Register is reporting that Apple is recalling batteries in 12 and 15 inch Powerbook and 12 inch iBooks sold between October 2004 and May 2005. Apple has set up a page with info on model number and serial numbers of batteries affected, and also how to get a replacement" http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/20/1648233&from=rss CRAPPLE seems to do that every year. Its a disease with CRAPPLE. That's why we call 'em CRAPPLE. Get it? Funny thing is, morons like you just keep right on overpaying for CRAPPLE garbge. That is why we call you CRAPPLE fanatics and CRAPPLE nuts. You guys are simply NOT sane. :) I'll back Dell over CRAPPLE anyday. Dell simply rocks! That is why Dell sells vastly more PC's than CRAPPLE, and DEll has even overtaken CRAPPLE in CRAPPL'e EX stronghold in schools! Poor CRAPPLE. Where are you gonna run to now?

"Funny thing is, morons like you just keep right on overpaying for CRAPPLE garbge. " LOL! That's the best you can come up with, Dell-boy? A battery recall that affected some laptops? Then chuckle on this, Dell-boy! You set yourself up! LOL!: PCWorld.com - Dell Recalls Laptop Power Cords (www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118106,00.asp) Faulty battery sparks Dell recall | CNET News.com (news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5804151.html) ITworld.com - Dell recalls 284000 Inspiron notebook batteries (www.itworld.com/Comp/1335/CWD010503STO60160) Dell recalls over four million power adaptors - ZDNet UK News (news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/ mobile/0,39020360,39169616,00.htm)

Just because Apple are moving to the x86 architecture doesn't necessarily mean that you will be able to install MacOS X on any PC. Paul has already suggested that Apple are likely to stick to supporting only Apple hardware. The major benefit of MacOS X is its stability and ease of use, and this primarily comes from running on guaranteed supported hardware. Windows is not less stable than MacOS X, it just has to deal with an overwhelming range of hardware - and it is an area Apple would do well to avoid! PS: x86 is a chip architecture. Intel's x64 processor are still x86 architecture, but with 64 bit memory addressing (rather than 32 bit in current and 16 bit in original 80X86 chips).

Mr. CRAPPLE ranks on people who post anonymously, but does so himself. Paulie's story isn't any sort of scoop, Dvorak predicted this quite a ways back. Check the facts: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,939886,00.asp Mac unit shipment growth is wiping the floor with Dell. Plus, Mr. CRAPPLE uses an excells of witty little terms lime LMAO and lots of BAHAHAHAAHAHAH. I'm guessing 13, 14 years old tops. Sorry Mr. CRAPPLE, but you aren't responsible in the slightest for Dell and Microsoft's success. But such is the fantasy world of a hormone-laden teen punk.

"Paul has already suggested that Apple are likely to stick to supporting only Apple hardware." THAT SUX. I'm a Windows fan. I love Windows XP. And I would be more than willing to give OS X a fair shake if I could install and run either in VMWare or dual-booted with WinXP. If OS X really is the bees kneesm, and I like it more than XP, I'd probably convert. However, I will not buy an (expensive) Apple just to try out OS X. Come on Jobs, throw us Windows users a bone if you want us to switch. Give us a way to try it out. And I mean for days and weeks, not just walking up and clicking on a few icons at Best Buy. Even time limit it or whatever. Don't make Windows users buy a whole new machine just to try out your OS.

"A battery recall that affected some laptops?" Only thing is, CRAPPLE has battery recalls practically every year. Heck , we even had EXPLODING CRAPPLE laptops before. And, when CRAPLE replaced those eplxoding laptops, they rurned to be crrap as well CRAPPLE is really CRAP! And welfare spongers like you keep paying CRAPPLE with the free money you keep swindling from the state.

CRAPPLE nut on page 1 of this very thread : "But switching to x86 would be suicide" Same CRAPPLE nut on page 8 of this thread : ""The chip isn't why I buy Apple hardware, "It's the OS STUPID"!!! " Does one need any further proof of the sheeer stupidity of this CRAPPLE crazy? Nope. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

"Mac unit shipment growth is wiping the floor with Dell" Is that so? Okey dokey. "First-quarter PC sales Dell remained the worldwide PC market's king of the hill during the first quarter. The Round Rock, Texas, PC maker shipped just over 8.7 million PCs, the most in the world, giving it almost 19 percent market share ........ CRAPPLE? "Apple ... shipped 1.07 million units worldwide ..It has 2.3 percent of the world PC market " Yup. CRAPPLE is "wiping the floor with Dell alright" In your insane dream, creep! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Hey, when did they let you out of the madhouse? Let me guess, you have escaped your minders are you are playing with the super's computer, right? Oh dear. Mind, the main inwhite coats will be coming along soon with the staithtkacket, plys plnety of strong medoicine for you, psycho! Not that it will do you any good. You are totally insane!

"You set yourself up! LOL!: " Thought you'd come up wuth that. This is the difference: I DON'T PAY 30% MORE FOR MY PC'S! You pay MORE for your CRAPPLE garbage, and they just keep right on exploding! Plus, Dell is now selling up to TEN times as many PC's as CRAPPLE, so DEll can recall 4 million and its still better quality than CRAPPLE recalling 1 million. Meanwhile, guess who recalled just JUST LAST MONTH , YET AGAIN? you guessed it: CRAPPLE for the umpteenth time! http://weblog.infoworld.com/techwatch/archives/001419.html CRAPLE is OVERPRICED GRABAGE! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!

Time for more Ritalin, Mr. CRAPPLE The statment referred to unit shipment growth. This is measured as a percentage growth compared to a prior period. Don't get it confused with market share, which is a percentage of total sales in a quarter. Do you understand the difference? Take another pill and maybe it will make sense. Oh yes....BWAHAHAHAHAH ROTF LMAO

"The statment referred to unit shipment growth." This is all I need, dufus. "Dell ..shipped just over 8.7 million PCs,.. the most in the world,.. giving it almost 19 percent Apple ... shipped 1.07 million units worldwide ..It has 2.3 percent of the world PC market " Look, I'll make it easy on ya, ok? 1st Quarter PC sales Dell ------ 8.7 million units shipped worldwide. CRAPPLE ---- 1.07 units shipped wordlwide. Umm.. DEll WIPES the floor with CRAPPLE with plenty of time to go for dinner afterwards! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!! Let's talk market share for a minute shall we? Dell..................19% wordlwide share CRAPPLE...............2.3% wordlwide share. DELL simply OWNS CRAPPLE dufus! LMAO!!

Ah ignorance is bliss. Ready for some basic math? You take the number of units that one company shipped in a quarter, compare to number of units shipped for another quarter, that's unit shipment growth. So if Apple shipped 1M in one quarter, and 1.5M in a subsequent quarter, that's 50% unit shipment growth. Understand? You didn't show a number that gave this percentage, you gave a number showing precent market share for two different companies. That's not the same thing. Run along and check the growth in unit shipments and get back to us. This wasn't making a statement that Apple's overall market share was larger than Dell, just that Apple's growth was larger. Get it? But sorry I can't LMAO. I weep for today's educational system, where kids, especially PC fanboys, can't even do basic math.

" that's unit shipment growth. So if Apple shipped 1M in one quarter, and 1.5M in a subsequent quarter" awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Poor mad fool. Listen, I don't give two hoots about growth from quarter to quarter. All I care about, and all that really matters is UNITS sold by DELL versus units sold by CRAPPLE and DELL'S market share versus CRAPPLE's market share! Dell sells 8.7 units (19%), CRAPPLE sels 1.07 units.(2.3%) You can twsit it, and turn it and wiggle all you want, one inescapble FACT stands out: DELL WIPES THE FLOOR WITH CRAPPLE! Get it, mad one? Btw, you make sure your nurse at the mad house gives you doudle dose of medication ,ok? Your insanity is coming through more and more by the minute.

"I weep for today's educational system" I weep for your parents, who brought you up to be an insane moron, foerever condmned to a mad house, forced to take strong pills, and reduced to spending your entire life posting garbage on the web site of an operating system you claim you don't use. What a wasted life , yours is!

Quote from first comment: It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Well it already has (panned out), check out this site: http://developer.apple.com/transitionkit.html

What you care about is all well and good, Mr. CRAPPLE, but the fact of the matter is that a statement was made concerning unit growth of Apple versus the overall PC industry, and you countered with a different set of numbers. You can go on all you want about oveall market share, but that wasn't the original statement was about. Interesting how you can't even come up with an original retort, and recycle the "XXX wipes the floor with YYY" format but just switch the words. You really need to get some original material.

Mac fanboys, stop claiming insane so-called "market share figures" (aka illusions) and read real facts: http://www.pegasus3d.com/total_share.html Apple's total market is falling. Always has been. Total sales rise, of course, but total PC sales rise a lot faster. => falling Apple total market shares Apple is now BELOW 2%! Stop spreading your dumb FUD, or risk being called insane fanboys living in a virtual world of illusion. Face the truth, life will be easier for you. Seriously.

hahaha. I can't help but laugh. Apple fans: "intel sucks, intel is bad, intels is slow". To them now i say: "you'll have intel inside soon!". bravo apple. powerPC was really falling behind and they knew their biased benchmarks couldn't stand to scrutiny. now all apple has to do is put windows on those computers and macs will finally become a computer you can use for something other than photoshop. (not that you ever had to)

wow people still use macs? I remember their apple II's back in a computer recycle warehouse. Other than that I didn't know macs were even something worth mentioning in the computing world...I guess that shows how relevant they are XD.

HAHAHA HA HA. SORRY BUT I HAVE TO LAUGH. EVERY SINGLE MAC JUST BECAME OBSOLETE!. I guess mac owners are pretty ****** their $3500 computer taunted to be an intel killer by this: http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/ http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/ now is as good as a good fancy piece of rusty metal. See see THIS IS WHY GOING WITH APPLE SUCKS. Apple calls the shots not the industry that's why when you buy or develop for the mac you're asking for being left behind when jobs thinks it is good. HA HA HA HA HA. MAC OWNERS sorry but you're all idiots. Get a pc. if you had MS so much get linux. but stop being such losers and count on apple as a stable platform. I'll give you 10 bucks for your PC. It makes for a nice aluminum can.

LOOK ALL THE MAC FANS ARE GONE LOL. They are hiding in denial kissing their macs bye bye. what a pathetic bunch of people they are. they probably deserve getting burn with this latest move.

It'd be nice if there was a bit more discussion from those who aren't teen or pre-teen PC owners who more than likely play games on their machine all day, and somehow think that this makes their platform somehow ownz Mac because of this. Believe it or not, there are those who use both Mac and PC. Me, I develop on Windows at work, but have Mac at home. I prefer the Mac for day-to-day tasks because the machine and OS is better designed. And no the Mac isn't going away. As soon as it won't be able to run the apps I need, in the dumpster it goes. That hasn't happened since I got my first Mac back in 1987. Just as they weathered the move from Motorola 68K to PowerPC, they'll go from PowerPC to Intel just fine. You do know that the foundation of Mac OS X ran on the Intel platform one time? You probably weren't born yet, but it is true. And the PowerPC is a fine chip. Intel chips are faster at some things, PowerPC at others. You do know that PowerPC is used in many of the current game consoles? One of the major reasons Apple ditched the PowerPC is they couldn't get a version that would work in a portable, not because of any major performance issues. Though they did promise 3 GHz and failed to deliver. Ah well just trying to whip some facts on you. Go on and laugh ohhh I'm hurt. But I'll continue to get along with both my Windows and Mac machines just fine. And for games? I use my Playstation for that.

Paul has been wrong about so many things in the past that it is no wonder people don't believe him. Just one example is that the iPod Mini would be a flop. There are countless others. This article is way to much of Paul patting himself on the back btw.

http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/ Apple: We're going to move to a platform that our previous advertisements said sucks. That's the kind of service we provide our user base!

Indeed. this proves beyond any doubt that apple's advertisement is just a blunch of blunt lies designed to trick the naive mac user base. It's really sad but mac zealots were always too obsessed and never really looked at the facts. The mac power pc architecture was nothing but hype. Even in it's dying stages it had to be made dual cpu based to even keep up.

wow if windows users are all like you, i prefer to stay with my 2%… (but of course its not, lots of my PC friends are switching to Mac actually, it just work and its well designed, héhé, but hey they are not wasting their life playing video games you know…)

Some of the people in the post are complete ******** towards apple. I think its a smart move for them to move to intel chips...but I would like to see benchmarks..Rumor has it that their is a mac os x 10.4.1 for intel iso file floating on bittorrent...most people are reporting **** or a virus from the file witch sux.... I post again if I find it... For the most part you little pc fan boys need to stop put down the keyboard and go outside...you will thank me later. You should mess with a mac before you start talking **** about them.. I own a pc right now...I'm am going to make the switch soon. Prolly going to buy a nice little mac mini :-)

It seems strange to me, the complete and utter animosity. I'm a PC user, and I have to say it, I hate my computer. I'm currently saving my pennies to switch to an iBook. After a great deal of research, and talking to a number of Mac and PC users, I decided that was the right choice for me. Not necessarily for every man, woman and child, but the right choice for my needs. The fact is that some people prefer PCs and some prefer Macs, and that's no reason to scream and yell at one another. I mean, come on, it's a computer, not a matter of life and death. So chill out.

Kids, kids. Take cars. Even GM's brawny Duramax diesels are in fact Isuzu units. MINIs run around with Chrysler/Tritec Pentagons under the hood (nice engines actually) though they'll be switching to Peugeot units in a few years. Toyota's high-revving 1.8-liter fours are designed and built by Yamaha. Do you care whether or not your car's seats were contract-built by Johnson Controls instead of Lear? Nah. Mac motherboards are unique because of the ASICs and other bits. The OS looks for those to determine if the machine's a Mac. The processor's just the engine and can be made by anyone. Dual-platform binaries solves the problem, and was in fact solved in OPENSTEP which could run on x86s, Motorola 68ks, and Sparcs. I look forward to the new Intel Macs, personally. 'S a good thing. Let's move on.