Now Samsung Is Complaining About Windows 8

An executive in Samsung’s memory business offered some harsh words for Windows 8 at the start of last weekend, becoming the latest in an increasingly long line of industry insiders to blame Microsoft for faltering sales of new PCs. Most troubling, perhaps, is that he uttered the dreaded “V” word, comparing Windows 8 to Windows Vista.

“The global PC industry is steadily shrinking despite the launch of Windows 8,” Samsung President Jun Dong-soo is quoted as saying during a meeting with reporters on Friday. “I think the Windows 8 system is no better than the previous Windows Vista platform.”

Windows Vista is widely viewed as a disastrous speed bump in the otherwise stellar rise of Windows, the most popular software platform ever created. But Vista is also widely misunderstood: As a major foundational change for Windows, it was the rare release designed to require leading-edge hardware at the time, and it wouldn’t run well on many existing PCs. Microsoft quickly fixed the performance issues, however, but the stigma remained even as Vista went on to sell several hundred million units over its three-year lifespan.

But in a business where perception is reality, Vista is correctly or not seen as a stinkbomb. And with Microsoft offering yet another foundational change in Windows 8, the one thing the devices and services firm wants to avoid is “another Vista,” real or imagined.

Sadly, the parallels with Vista are fairly obvious.

Designed for a new generation of touch-based hardware devices, many of which are tablets, Windows 8 is a better fit for expensive new PCs than users’ existing computers, just like Vista. As noted previously, Microsoft fundamentally altered the foundational core of Windows in this release, just as it did with Vista, in this case driving a strange new hybrid user experience that isn’t very friendly to the 1.3 billion existing PC users in the world.

Yes, pedantry fans, these kinds of comparisons are never perfect. For example, Windows 8 does run just fine on existing hardware of its day, unlike Vista, and even offers some performance advantages. So Microsoft learned at least some lessons from its past. But the fact remains that consumer acceptance of Windows 8 is on par with that of Vista. Which is to say that consumers are at best confused and at worst outraged by the changes foisted on them. Just as with Vista.

Jun Dong-soo also dumped on Microsoft’s Surface efforts. In this criticism, he joins another growing list of industry executives who aren’t too happy that long-time partner Microsoft is now a competitor as well. (Acer in August went ballistic over the Surface lineup, though I should add that Acer has a long history of such complaints.)

“Microsoft’s rollout of its Windows Surface tablet is seeing lackluster demand,” he said. “Meanwhile, previous vigorous pitches by Intel and Microsoft for thinner ultra-books simply failed and I believe that’s mostly because of the less-competitive Windows platform.”

Microsoft is allegedly racing to address concerns about Windows 8, though the company has never publicly confirmed it is doing so. Rumors abound about a Windows 8 update, code-named Blue, that many feel will right the wrongs of Windows 8 much as the SP release did for Windows Vista. And the firm will purportedly update the “core” apps in Windows 8—which are routinely panned for being incomplete functionally—as soon as this month. That said, a very trusted source at Microsoft told me that some of these apps, like Xbox Music, won’t be “fixed” until as late as June or July. That’s only a month or two before “Blue” is set to ship. And a recent report claims that Microsoft is lowering the price of its Windows and Office bundle for hardware makers that wish to ship smaller Windows 8 devices that can compete with 7" tablets like the Amazon Kindle Fire HD and Google Nexus 7.

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chrisr@reliantbh.com
on Mar 11, 2013
Unfortunately, neither the MAC nor Win 8 are "practical" alternatives to Win7 in my Enterprise environment. Adopting either would require substantial retraining of my users - exacting numerous direct and indirect costs - and there's just no way... none. Zero. Most of the UI changes in Vista were fluff - window dressing. About the only thing that required users to relearn common work patterns was User Access Control. But even that still causes massive arguments... so who on EARTH thought you could do away with Start buttons and etc... ? As I've said before; Win 8 effectively expected .x billion Windows users to change their basic system interaction styles - even though those same users are using the same (old) applications and associated tasks they've been doing for years. Do any of those "old" tasks work better on a Metro Interface (or would they on an IPad for that matter)? NO. But MS didn't improve the desktop with W8; they tried to deprecate it. Perhaps someday vastly better ways of presenting, organizing and manipulating data will lead to the emergence of a different metaphor for managing the data business need to organize and manage their lives (it will be some mother of a killer app when it happens). Until then the desktop is not only still alive, it is irreplaceable. Consider this: with the rapid (and to me, disturbing) development in direct man/machine/brain interfaces, even touchscreens may look like buggy whips in the near future.
pthurrott
on Mar 11, 2013
I especially like how that advice was misconstrued as "smug." Microsoft's strategy is what it is. If you're going to use Windows, you do need to get used to it. That's not an endorsement of the strategy, it's just pragmatic.
jkohut
on Mar 12, 2013
" Microsoft's strategy is what it is. If you're going to use Windows, you do need to get used to it. That's not an endorsement of the strategy, it's just pragmatic." I think that is what is happening. Many users are seriously rethinking if they want to continue to use Windows (myself included) for their home computing needs. With Vista there were few real alternatives (MAC and fairly hard to use Linux at the time). Now you have iOS and Android (and many people have learned how to use them for MUCH of their computing needs). You can call it pragmatic if you like, but Microsoft may have alienated some customers with this last round of decision making. The next 6 months will tell. Many kids will be going off to college, if they feel they can get by with a different computing environment, you may see Windows Sales continue to fall.
scottm99999
on Mar 11, 2013
@SlipSlop...personally, I found Vista a bit too hardware-intensive at the time of its release. I like Win 7 for the most part, although, Windows 7 is really Vista R2 as far as I can tell. It seems clear that enterprises can't get on-board Win 8. At my workplace, we're migrating to 7 & skipping 8 completely. Other colleagues from different industries have told me the same thing.
lctb51
on Mar 11, 2013
Windows 8 is WIndows 7 after a car crash then reconstructed! The GUI is extremely messy. When you open a photo, it opens in the metro interface, and it should really open in the desktop. I have Windows 8 on my desktop, and I had to change alot of file associations so the files do not open in metro. Windows 8 is a little faster than Windows 7 and MS did add new features as well. However, I highly dislike the metro and desktop combined together, things should either open in the desktop or in metro. Microsoft also needs to make it easier to shut down and restart. Even after using Windows 8 since last year, I still think Windows 7 is by far much better than Windows 8.
pthurrott
on Mar 11, 2013
Randy, that's what he meant by "practical". Mac computers are often 2-3 times the price of PCs, the definition of impractical, and the reason why the Mac still has such low market share.
rohnski@hotmail.com
on Mar 11, 2013
Paul, I am not holding my breath that "Blue" will "fix" Win8. Even though I've seen a number of "top 5 or top 10 simple changes to fix Windows 8" blogs, (which I mostly agreed with <grin>) I strongly doubt MS is listening. Just like their partial pull back on Office 2013 licensing, now allowing install transfers, but still not allowing 2 device installs. They have a business plan that requires "killing off Old Windows", and they figure they can drag us along to their version of the future. They want to downgrade (they call it an upgrade) to the Metro UI which is designed to the lowest common denominator to work well on smartphones and tablets and provide a "common user experience" from small portables to the desktop. But that ignores PC users and gamers with multi-monitor setups and large 20"+ screens. Yes, Win8 does handle my 2 screen setup better, BUT, the Metro UI only works on one screen at a time, thankfully, since I don't like it, but not so good if you want to run more than one Metro App full screen on each screen. They want to move to a subscription rather than purchase method of licensing, ignoring the substantial user base (40% still on Win XP) of people using non-revenue generating,10 year old software because it still gets the job done. IE ~40% of users still on Windows XP, and a significant percent of Office users still using Menu based versions (2003 and earlier).
paulusar
on Mar 11, 2013
If there was a "practical" alternative to Windows available right now, MS would be finished.
rgrein
on Mar 11, 2013
paulusar, there is a practical alternative to Windows, it just requires taking off the Microsoft blinders. I use (and manage) Windows at work, but for 20 years I go home to a Mac environment.
papa.deblanc
on Mar 13, 2013
I have a slightly different take to yours on these comments from Samsung, Paul. The President of Samsung cannot seriously be comparing Windows 8 to an ancient OS like Vista. Between Vista and Windows 8 sits Windows 7, and Samsung has made shed loads of money out of that OS. I think Samsung are simply trying to talk down the price they have to pay for Windows 8. And herein lies the real problem for Microsoft; OEMs are loving the Google approach to Android. It might not be the best mobile OS - is a long way short of the best IMHO - but it works and it costs next to nothing. To me it is poor commercial thinking that has got Microsoft into such a tight corner. I am old enough to remember that Windows was a success because it reduced the cost of technology. This is no longer the case, and the alarm bells should be ringing all over Redmond. You and your friend Mary Jo would know far better than me whether that is the case. Personally I see little evidence that Microsoft understands the seriousness of the position they are in.
dklippi
on Mar 11, 2013
Vista was and still is a great OS. I use it as a question during interviews to see if the candidate knows what he's talking about or incompetent and simply regurgitating what has been said in the press. All of my Vista deployments were successful and end users were all pleasantly surprised. I don't deal with client-side deployments anymore so don't have any judgment of Win8.
Gordon_Keenan
on Mar 11, 2013
It's god to see that the public ignored the smug attitudes of some tech's online, who just told everyone to GET USED TO IT.Completely ignoring the fact that the interface changes offered nothing of any real to to anyone in a desktop situation. Apple released IOS for their tablets, and we have OSX with launchpad hidden away thank goodness, for the desktop side. And that is the way it should be really! People touching a screen at their desk? Why not do it the easy way and use the likes of the Apple touchpad? No need to touch a desktop screen! I'm angry that Microsoft has once again wasted valuable time and resources on stupid features that only seem to have been done to make things look different, so they can charge more for the same stuff. If they would focus more on stability, Virus and Malware protection that actually worked, then THAT ALONE would be worth an upgrade!!! As it is, the blinkered will spew about how great WIndow's 8 is, and like the story of the Emperor;s New Clothes... Some of us can see clearly what is in front of us... PC's are my money maker, Apple's are not, but no windows 8 OS will go ono anything I sell to clients, mainly because they don't want it in the first place.
n2cheval
on Mar 11, 2013
I really like a lot of the behind the scene things about Win8, but to the bottom line... 1) People hate change, with linear growth after age 30. 2) People hate un-rewarding work. 3) People hate unexpected and unwanted surprises. 4) People hate having no intuitive path, support or success in activities. Win8 makes those feelings and concepts a reality. Without a told you so (but one will proceed anyway). Win8 should have the following: 1) The Windows button should (or combined with the F1 key) show a context HUD of the name and short description of what is on the screen. Being able to articulate what you see and what your problem is a fundamental part of learning and getting help with something new. 2) The UI should have adapted to the detected user input or allow the user to change the form. Eg. When a mouse is detected, then allow vertical scrolling. When no touch is detected, then start at the Windows! display, rather than the single poor window with little, little tiles that can't expand to fill the monitor :( display. 3) Bring forward (even if it delayed Win8 to 2014) sensor detection and tactile feedback. Eg. Having the computer sense when a user a near and respond positively and encouragingly. All configurable, but light up with subtle colour, sound, 3D edges, something, etc. but engage and give the user something to enjoy and play with. Tony Stark has a good start. With tactile feedback, people are not going to buy touch for touch, they will buy touch when they can through electrostatic stimulation *feel* the interface. 4) You have to sell (ie drive interest and want if not possibly need. Heard about BYOD?) the OS to the home user way, way before trying to convince the business user. KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY! AND ENOUGH WITH THE CAPS LOCK!!! Apple taught that or was one listening to another story of... just make it new and different so we have our brand to sell. No, business has been taught to make do with Good Enough. WinXP anyone? 5) Interactive
Waethorn
on Mar 11, 2013
Meanwhile, sales of the full-sized iPad4 are also very low, but nobody is reporting this for some reason. So how is that Windows' fault? It isn't. This is consumer spending getting more thrifty. After a disastrous liberal budget during the first term, the US is shifting to a more conservative budget in the hopes that they can keep a Republican out of the White House on the next election by crossing the fence and appeasing Republican voters. The US market fell, so consumers are only just starting to pick up the pieces, but they haven't made it back to the point where they can make $1000 PC purchases. I would almost bet that it will be a Conservative that gets into the White House for next term.
gbrugman
on Mar 18, 2013

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