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May 09, 2006

Windows Vista Beta 2 Shapes Up for May 23 Release at WinHEC

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As I've previously reported, Microsoft had planned to ship a variant of Windows Vista build 5381 as Beta 2, the version that the company will be delivering to millions of consumers later this month. However, problems with build 5381 have changed those plans somewhat, along with the schedule for getting Beta 2 into the hands of users. Last weekend, Microsoft surprisingly issued a variant of build 5381 to testers after previously noting that it wouldn't ship any more interim builds before Beta 2.

Now, Microsoft plans to release a DVD of Vista Beta 2 and Office 2007 Beta 2 to attendees of the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) on May 23. Meanwhile, users who wish to obtain a DVD version of Beta 2 via the company's public Web site will have to wait until May 27. Microsoft expects to eventually deliver this version to millions of people.

When asked about the delivery of Beta 2, the company didn't offer any specifics. "We're on track to deliver Beta 2 this quarter, as promised," a Microsoft representative told me. Sources tell me, however, that part of the push behind Beta 2 will be aimed at dispelling rumors propagated by Gartner that Microsoft will delay Vista beyond January 2007. To that end, the software giant will be heavily promoting Beta 2 to users so they can see for themselves how refined Vista has already become.

As for build 5381, Microsoft had iterated through several point releases for that version and finally moved on to subsequent builds. Last weekend, Microsoft shipped build 5382 internally, and it expects to ship build 5383 early next week. Now I'm told that a build 5383 variant (perhaps 5383.5) will likely be declared as Beta 2 sometime late next week. Concurrently, Microsoft is working on post-Beta 2 (or release candidate 1--RC1) builds of Vista as well. Those builds are in the 542x range, my sources say.

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Reader Comments
"Microsoft had iterated through a number of point releases for that version--5381.5 by last weekend--and finally gave up and moved on to later builds."

Did you ever consider that maybe Microsoft knows what it's doing when it numbers its builds? Perhaps it was intentional, such as "do a full increment every week, do sub-increments during the week."

You've said that they're also working on "542x" builds. Well, if they did a full increment each day, they would have a pretty high chance of "running out" of numbers before hitting the existing 542x wall. By doing sub-builds, they ensure they won't run out. Of course, that does mean that they "waste" build numbers and that they are not a clean progression. (Which is nothing new; Server 2003 jumped into the 3000s, and the Longhorn Reset started over at 5000)

PatriotB6007 May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


Paul, any hint of the changes or fixes included?

dugbug May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


Tech journalists can't seem to make up their minds whether Vista is simply XP with some visual modifications or it's a major release. Here's a couple of examples:

PAul Thurrott on April 19, 2006

"Promises were made. Excitement was generated. None of it, as it turns out, was worth a damn. From a technical standpoint, the version of Windows Vista we will receive is a sad shell of its former self, a shadow. ... Shame on you, Microsoft. Shame on you, but not just for not doing better ... Windows Vista is a disappointment. There is no way to sugarcoat that very real truth."


Paul Thurrott on May 7, 2006

"... it's clear that Vista will be a monumental upgrade and a major Windows version. It will certainly keep me busy for years to come."

yahoo May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


As Paul has stated several times and indicates in the opening sentence in the first comment you've quoted it is with respect to the promises made in 2003 PDC that Vista is a disappointment. It is with respect to WinXP that he makes his comment that Vista will be a monumental upgrade.

mcm_ham May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


How about this (April 14, 2006):
"Many of the applications listed here are warmed over versions of applications you've seen before in Windows XP or even Mac OS X, and precious little is changing ... even when compared to XP ... Windows Vista is going to be a huge disappointment. "


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what he means is Vista will not a significant upgrade.

yahoo May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


My guess is, he is trying to say that from a technical expert's standpoint, Vista is not a major upgrade, since some of its important features have been delayed. On the other hand, from an end user's viewpoint, vista is a major and monumental upgrade.

yahoo May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


"My guess is, he is trying to say that from a technical expert's standpoint, Vista is not a major upgrade"

That I can't understand. I figure it would be from more of a users standpoint. From a developers standpoint, things have changed alot.

anonymous May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


Anonymous is right. This is a huge release for developers. The number of new Windows APIs is staggering--and that's not even counting WinFX. Technical experts, if they're really "experts", would realize how much of a huge upgrade Vista is. (The number of developer features is actually quite small--WinFS, and integrated Monad/PowerShell are the biggest ones... I can't think of any other big ones off the top of my head.)

End users' perspective isn't a very good measure, because most people will judge an OS by looks alone. Most people who comment on it are judging it only by screenshots, for example. Some people say it looks like a major version, while other people call it XPSP3 or XP with a new skin (which it definitely isn't).

Bundled apps aren't a good measure either, because they aren't part of the platform. Remember, first and foremost Windows is a development platform; developers aren't any better off because of Windows Photo Gallery, Backup, DVD Maker, etc.

Lastly, the numbers tell it all: Vista is NT 6.0, a major version over XP (NT 5.1). (Originally, Longhorn was just an "interim" 5.x version, but grew in scope to 6.0. Blackcomb/Vienna, previously 6.0, is now likely 6.x (as opposed to 7).

PatriotB6007 May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


(In my first paragraph above, I meant to say "the number of developer features CUT")

PatriotB6007 May 09, 2006 (Article Rating: )


"Tech journalists can't seem to make up their minds whether Vista is simply XP with some visual modifications or it's a major release. Here's a couple of examples:"

It's called adjusting your position on changing facts. If I'm going to buy a car and the price is low, I say it's a good deal. If the price suddenly jumps up, then it's no longer a good deal. Being indecisive is chaging your opinion constantly on something static or relatively static. Refusing to change your opinion on something that is itself changing is just prejudice.

orion.adrian@gmail.com May 10, 2006 (Article Rating: )


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