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April 30, 2004

Nonintuitive Actions from Quicken's Maker

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We journalists tend to accuse Microsoft of arrogance when the company takes actions such as threatening to decertify MCSEs unless they take tests on the newest versions of Microsoft software, retiring commonly used OSs, or rearranging licensing schemes to increase revenue, but Redmond often sees the light and recants such unpopular decisions. Now another large software company, Intuit, has pulled a maneuver more egregious than anything Microsoft has done by telling millions of its Quicken users to upgrade to Quicken 2004 by May 18 if they want to keep paying their bills online.

I use Quicken 2000 to manage my checking account. For a while, I used the program to track my investments, but it's too inflexible for my needs. (Perhaps I should have taken its portfolio clumsiness as a harbinger of what was to come for online-checking support.) I do like Quicken 2000's online bill-paying feature; I can set up a check as usual, but instead of printing the check, I tell Quicken to print the check and mail it to whomever I specify. I was troubled, then, when I opened Quicken a few weeks ago and was greeted by a notice that said I had until May 18 to upgrade to Quicken 2004 or lose the ability to pay my bills online.

The notice contained a link to more information and the opportunity to buy a software upgrade online at a reduced price. I decided to spend the $40 to buy the upgrade. The transaction was almost complete when Intuit's online shopping server failed with the message: "We're sorry. An unexpected error has occurred while processing this page. Please contact the server's administrator if this problem persists."

I would have contacted the administrator had the page included a link to report the error, but it didn't. Nor was there a phone number to contact the folks who run the online store so that I could buy the upgrade over the phone. (Hmmm, you don't often see arrogance AND incompetence at a company at the same time.) Three more attempts to buy the upgrade yielded the same failure; I sure hope the company fixes the problem before May 18--I'd really like to pay my electric bill.

This move is a silly way for Intuit to generate revenue. I love new software and usually can't wait to get my hands on the latest version of Windows or Microsoft Word, Palm Desktop, or any other popular software to discover the new doodads. Heck, I'm even impatient about Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2); I really want the new Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) pop-up blocker that comes with it. But I'm more conservative about software that manages my money, and I don't think I'm unusual on that point, given how rocky some upgrades can be. An official at Intuit basically admitted that the company was taking this action to make money; so why not simply charge online-bill-paying customers an annual fee and throw in a free upgrade every few years?

The real point isn't whether Intuit has inconvenienced me or hundreds of other customers, it's the way the company is going about it. Can you imagine the hullabaloo if Microsoft tried this tactic? You fire up your copy of Windows 2000 Professional in the morning and get a notice that your desktop OS will lose its ability to communicate over the Internet on May 18. Click here to find out how to buy an upgrade online. This example might sound far-fetched, but if Intuit can get away with its latest move, what will stop other software companies from doing things equally as odious?

Apparently, other people think the way I do. A recent article in the "Washington Post" reported that some irritated users have filed a class-action suit against Intuit over the company's latest move. For once, I hope those lawyers win.

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Reader Comments
America is a very young country. We are only 200ish years old. We all believe we can do everything we set our sights on doing. My profession is architecture. I am grateful and appreciate your books and articles because you allow me as an architect to use computer tools and the computer industry programs and processes and progress to enhance my profession. But I am an Architect, not a practiced, knowledgeable professional computer expert. I have only spent 25 years using computers. Our firm has used Autocad from its inception. I come out of Carnegie-Mellon University where we were playing around with word processing at the end of the '70s and our staff has gone from Wordstar thru Multiplan and today we have the Linux group and the Microsoft group and the typical architectural graphics Adobe snobbery that you would find in any active New York firm. I am one of the two principals and am 64 years old and a woman and an architect. All of which are unusual. WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO ABOUT INTUIT??? I am telling you about us as architects and about my respect for Mark Minasi as the professional Computer person who I turn to as a resource of professionalism in an industry that is relatively new. Even though I have 25 years of experience I regard myself as a novice in your industry because it is not my primary training. I was trained as an architect. I know Architecture. I know the ethics as well as the esthetics of the profession. I know what it means to make architecture. I know what it feels like to be in the presence of a work of architecture. I know what it is to live in a work of architecture and what it is to walk through a work of architecture. Many Americans are too young to know what Architecture is all about. Too few Americans have had the experience of living amoung works of Achitecture. That is why buildings can get built in our wonderful country that are junk and we allow it to happen because we don't know the difference. As a country we are too young. We don't have the experience. We don't know what the profession of Architecture is all about. We think builders are architects. We don't know the difference. Builders can build buildings. In fact, architects design buildings and those buildings get built as well. I use the tools of your profession to help me build buildings.

THE FINAL POINT IS:

When Mark Minasi uses the tools of his profession that were designed to help me create buildings and he uses those tools to build a building I don't think he'd end up with a piece of architecture for that client.

It will be a building. It could be called a piece of architecture. But when the essence of the structure is tested, it will fail because professional services with long histories look like they are easy to copy and require no effort in the performance but until you are involved in the practice it's wiser to wait with any judgement.

Mr Minasi, let me say, I respect and admire you. But, how could you have allowed yourself to use INTUIT's bill paying service when the same service is available from the profession where it should be handled - the BANK. INTUIT is not in the BANKING business, They are a software company. They write software, They know nothing about the fiduiary responsibility of a bank to their customers. INTUIT is treating its customers like consumers of a retail product, which they are. By law, a bank has a responsibility to treat their customers othwise. In all sincerity here, the fault is not with INTUIT, Mr. Minasi, it is with your willingness and innocence to believe a software company can provide you with the same reliability as a bank.

Regina Vaccarella May 01, 2004


Mark,
While I agree that they are going about this the wrong way, I don't agree with your tirade and basically using this as a forum for you to vent your frustration. All companies are in the business to make money. And really, it's in our best interest as consumers for capitalism to work this way. As the companies market good products and generate revenue, other companies compete and drive down prices. A key note on this is Microsoft Money. Money and Quicken have been competing for years and this competition has been delivered HUGE improvements in the rich features that these products have, especially ONLINE BANKING! If you were to force Intuit into a lawsuit and win, where do you think that money would come from? This money would be paid through increased product prices, people losing their jobs, and/or their development budget. The long term result of any and all of these items is that we all lose out; all of us, the consumers. I don¡¦t remember you writing up any articles when Microsoft finally said they weren¡¦t going to support NT4.0 or Windows 95!? Maybe you chastised them for it. Maybe I just missed that months Windows and .NET Magazine newsletter. The point is that I didn¡¦t hear you mention that Intuit is dropping support for their product nor did I hear you mention any version information. I only read that they are dropping support for online banking through Quicken. What about through their website directly? Do they have support for online banking through their website directly? I don¡¦t know the answer to these things. All I read is you venting your frustration about your inconvenience instead of providing a solution for those people out here in the real world that need one. As for me, I see no problem with Intuit¡¦s decision. Also, my experience with both Money and Quicken (and QuickBooks¡K) is that the upgrades work fine. The only caveat I¡¦ve ever had is that they don¡¦t support backwards compatibility. Once you upgrade, you can¡¦t go back. But even with that said, who is silly enough not to make backups of their data before attempting the upgrade? Everyone that reads this magazine is an IT Professional, most with access to multiple machines or even VMWare or the new Microsoft VirtualPC. It would not be a far stretch for any of us to make a backup, try the install on another machine to make sure it¡¦s ok first. And what have you lost? 30 minutes of time to know that the upgrade meet¡¦s your requirements? And what have gained? A product with all of the new technology and bug fixes for all of the stuff that you griped about in the old one. You easily gain that 30 minutes of time back through the cool new stuff that you can now do and efficiency from the new product! With the rapid progress in online technology, I¡¦m amazed that this hasn¡¦t happened sooner. I would rather see Intuit spend their budget on product improvements, especially product security, than supporting online technology that¡¦s over 4 years old. And yes, I know that 128bit encryption and SSL is more than 4 years old! ƒº

-Rick.

Rick Ford, MCSE May 01, 2004


After writing such a long comment I realized my point had more to do with the frustrations about the lack of understanding of our profession than the INTUIT situation.
On the high-end our firm spend big bucks on all kinds of software and toys and equipment ( our staff deserves it ) and on the low-end you have back office developers using Autocad to provide easy access to a cheap source of architectural designs. Both ends are losing sight of the essence of the Architecture. But, then again, what does a 64 female architect know about anything?

SORRY about such a long drawn out comment...it's been a frustrating Saturday...Your work is really appreciated, keep it up. We buy it all.

Regina Vaccarella May 01, 2004


How long should they support your old software? I have Quicken 2001 and did not get this message, so your "millions" gesstimate is unfounded. QUicken is software you purchase yearly, they turn off features because it costs them money to support the old ways of talking to your bank, I don't see what your problem is with that. And goto ebay.com and buy Quicken 2004 for $10 - problem solved, no hassles.

Brad Waddell May 02, 2004


YES....YES....it is a rip off...in canada this has been happening for a few years....the latest version is only good for a few years...then cough up bucks or we will not allow you to download your transactions...they have even gone to the extent that they will charge a monthly fee of $4.00 or so on your charge card...so lets see..$4.00 per month....$48.00 per year times the number of users....hmmmm...not bad for doing nothing.....the software looks exactly the same from year to year..i have never noticed any changes....oh...yes...this cost include a whole 3 calls to their help desk per year....

thanks for the article...

...j.

JLS May 02, 2004


If you think that is annoying, you will love the surprise to which I was treated after "upgrading" to QuickBooks Pro 2004. Among other tasks, I use this software to process payroll, calculate withholdings and file payroll-tax forms. Unlike previous versions, where you had something like a year of free downled updates to tax-tables and tax forms, 2004 allows one download and then you are required to immediately subscribe to one of the payroll tax options, the least expensive of which is $175/ year. Not a lot of money, but being told that you "need" a $175 a year "update" immediately after purchasing the newest version of the company's flagship, general use small business accounting software is an unpleasant surprise.

So, I guess it is time to look for a new accounting software vendor.

Todd Bowers May 03, 2004


Microsoft did stop all support for Great Plains Dynamics running on Pervasive SQL. Not that we loved Btrieve in the first place. But Microsoft did make the migration price to move from Pervasive to the MSDE version of MSSQL easy to handle. But if anyone does this I would advise them to get more than one "Seat" to log in to Great Plains.

This is really "Good News" for Microsoft. Intuit may loose business customers to Microsoft Business Solutions "Small Business Server" package. More features and supports up to 10 users. Runs on MSDE version of SQL.

Intuit is after all "in it for the money" but they could have made this alot easier. It shows contempt for customers.

Curt Spanburgh May 03, 2004


Makes me glad I chose MS Money over Quicken back in '97.
MS doesn't get away with shenanigans like that because there are too many people watching them. One of the pros of dealing with such a large company.

Brian Walker May 04, 2004


I also had trouble my first try at on-line banking with Quicken 2004 which took several good hours out of my day to figure out. And I too had a heck of a time finding a 'help" phone number. When I finally did (somewhere in India), the tech said it was an AOL problem. When I finally dug up an AOL tech phone number (somewhere in India), they threw me back to Quicken/Intuit. I am angry that I had to spend all sorts of wasted time looking for these numbers in the first place and then having to figure out the new online banking and now having to figure out how to navigate a much different looking program which is not as user-friendly---all because Intuit forced me to buy their Quicken upgrade which I didn't need. I've been using Quicken for 10 years. I could teach advanced classes in Q 2000 I knew it so well. There was no reason for me to change.

Yvonne June 01, 2004


Arrogance AND incompetence are good to learn about.
I'll stick with quicken2001 with online banking through my bank.

yosephjoseph October 29, 2004 (Article Rating: )


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