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November 2001

Troubleshooting DNS-Related AD Logon Problems, Part 1


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Now let's ask Nslookup to simulate using a local DC to log on. You'll need to know the name of your domain and your AD site. You'll always have at least one site: When you create the first DC in a forest, Dcpromo creates a site called, by default, Default-First-Site-Name. Type the Nslookup command on a command line. At the prompt, enter two commands, using the syntax

set type=srv
_kerberos._tcp.<SiteName>
    ._sites.dc._msdcs.
    <DomainName>

Be sure to include the underscores, and type the second command on one line without spaces. For example, for a site named HQ in the acme.com domain, you'd type

set type=srv
_kerberos._tcp.hq._sites.dc
  ._msdcs.acme.com

If you type the commands correctly, you might get a response like the one Figure 1 shows (don't worry if you don't—that's why we're troubleshooting). But if those commands don't work for you, then Dcpromo won't be able to log on either. Dcpromo would then say to DNS, "Tell me about all the DCs in the world for acme.com." You can also use Nslookup to simulate that query:

_kerberos._tcp.dc._msdcs
   .acme.com

But if your first query failed, this one likely will too, leading to a message resembling ns1.yourisp.com can't find kerberos._tcp.dc._msdcs.acme.com: Non-existent domain.

The reason for this problem in most test networks is that your AD domain (e.g., acme.com) has the same name as a registered Internet domain, and that name conflict poses problems. To see why, let's roll back the clock to when you created the first DC in your test forest.

The Origin of the Problem
When you use Dcpromo to create a new forest with a first domain named acme.com, Dcpromo needs to write several records into the writable copy of the acme.com zone, which lives on the domain's primary DNS server. So, Dcpromo queries the local DNS server for the address of the primary DNS server for acme.com. Because you're just playing around from home, your Win2K server likely connects to the Internet through DSL or a cable modem and thus points to some DNS server on the Internet. That DNS server happens to know about a registered Internet domain named acme.com and responds that the primary acme.com server is some UNIX box on the Internet.

Dcpromo then says to that distant server, "Hi. I'm about to write a bunch of new SRV records to you with dynamic DNS (DDNS). That's all right, isn't it?" The UNIX server responds, "No! I don't know you, and I'm not about to let you write records into my zone." That response, of course, leaves Dcpromo in a quandary.

Instead of telling you that it has found the acme.com DNS server but the server doesn't accept updates, Dcpromo fibs by reporting that it couldn't find the DNS server for acme.com and offers an alternative: "Would you like me to configure a DNS server for this domain?" You say "Yes," grateful that Dcpromo is such a can-do kind of program. So, Dcpromo sets up the soon-to-be DC as a DNS server, creates an acme.com zone on that server, uses that zone to set up acme.com, then reboots.

That's when the trouble starts, as I'll explain in my next column. See you then.

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Reader Comments
I have that problem, and its reflect when a made any change to a user acount, isn't replicate to the other dommains

Hiran Coello December 05, 2001


I have domain name same as my registered internet domain name and I resolve address fine. I do get other problems though. The XP Pro stations seems to work fine but looking in the event log show domain related errors:

Every 30-40 minutes it logs event id 1030: Windows cannot query for the list of Group Policy objects. A message that describes the reason for this was previously logged by the policy engine.

and event id 1005: Windows cannot connect to mydomain.com domain. (Operations Error). Group Policy processing aborted.

I wonder if these errors are related. I have looked all over MS site but nothing on these ids.

Bill December 26, 2001


Troubleshooting is supposed to have some resolution. None are included with this document. Why?

Jason October 10, 2003


I am having this problem is there a next page that has the resolution? or a fix for this?

Rich Bowen June 14, 2004


I am running in mixed mode. One PC which is xp cannot see the network in "my network places" claiming a lack of permission. But it can map a drive to a server on the network. Same with the printers. It doesn't matter who is logged on. Is this a DNS error?

Hugh_McGinness September 16, 2004 (Article Rating: )


You did not address other logon problem scenarios and resolutions. Scenario:
2 DCs on the DMZ as Web Servers running Windows 2003 Enterprise. AD integrated DNS on both DCs, and servers resolve own DNS.

Problem: Users accessing the public web sites randomly get a login request box. IIS folder permissions and NTFS permissions are correct. What is causing the problem?

Anonymous User February 01, 2005


Where is the resolution? How is this a troubleshooting document? It just told me what I already know, I have a problem with DNS! Sigh, I guess I'll look elsewhere.

Anonymous User February 17, 2005 (Article Rating: )


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